Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 608
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 00:04:00 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Sunday 04 May 2003
 Number  608
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re:  52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
2  Re:  52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
3  Re:  modem problems solved, V92 : Wayne <datablitz at optusnet dot com dot au>
4  Re:  52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
5  Re:  modem problems solved, V92 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re:  52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re:  52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
8  Re:  52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
9  Re:  52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
10  Re:  modem problems solved, V92 : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
11  Re:  modem problems solved, V92 : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>

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Date:  Sun, 04 May 2003 13:47:25 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths

More - even better news on this CD-RW drive.

The adds say that the price has been reduced by $10 from $128 to $118, but when I went into the store
in Chatswood I found it has been reduced $30 to just $98 !!

That's the same price as some of the CD players and this is a 52 x burner. Be careful though, they also
have the slower (48x) CW088 model on sale at $98 as well.

I think we must have a "closet OS/2er" in Dick Smiths head office as, although the web site staes that
the CD Burner is OS/2 compatible (amd it is as a standard MMC device using CDRecord/2), the box doesn't
even mention OS/2.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Ed Durrant wrote:

> It also appears that this CyberDrive CW099D CD-RW can burn 100 Min. CDs ! The question is of course
> how many readers can read 100 Min. (900 MB) CDs ??
>
> Ed.
>
> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> > Check out this special "hot deal" on DSE website - $10 off at the moment
> > - AUS$118 inct GST
> >
> > http://www.dse dot com dot au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/3eb33a63086177e82741c0a87f9c070a/Product/View/XH3466
> >
> > Cheers/2
> >
> > Ed.
> >
> 
> >  
> 
>

>  

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Date:  Sun, 04 May 2003 14:39:25 +0950 (CST)
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths

G'day Ed,

On Sun, 04 May 2003 13:47:25 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
>More - even better news on this CD-RW drive.
>
>The adds say that the price has been reduced by $10 from $128 to $118, but when I went 
into the store
>in Chatswood I found it has been reduced $30 to just $98 !!
>
>That's the same price as some of the CD players and this is a 52 x burner. Be careful 
though, they also
>have the slower (48x) CW088 model on sale at $98 as well.

I only paid $105 for my Lite-On 52x burner a month or so ago - at the time the DSE drive 
was $128.  In this weekend's paper, the Lite-On drives have been going for around $85.

And personally, I'd prefer Lite-On to Cyberdrive - whoever the hell they are :)

Regards,

Paul.

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Date:  Sun, 04 May 2003 14:41:59 +0830
From:  Wayne <datablitz at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re:  modem problems solved, V92

Hi Voytek & Ed

>** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> Sat, 03 May 2003 20:05:36 +1000

>> Are the additional phones in your home on sockets installed by a qualified telco engineer ? 
>>    
>> if you've simply added the sockets yourself, in parrallel to the original one, the 
>> impedance will reduce and then the modem won't be matched to the line and yes, this will 
>> cause problems.

AFAIK modems aren't aren't matched.  They just make a reasonable
guess what impedance they are faced with.

I use a Maestro Woomera modem (external).  This modem WILL
change it's impedance to match the ph line (10 steps).  The
Australian Farmer's Federation commissioned Maestro to produce
a modem for "dirty" line conditions & the Woomera is the result.

Expensive, but quite impressive!  At the end of the day ya got's ta
ask yourself.  How much will it cost in the long run if you are getting
less than optimum speed?  When you are comparing dows & Warp
speeds, be sure to compare apples with apples.

>don't know. some are certainly installed my me, others, might have existed

>I am a semi qualified Telstra... how should they be wired ?

>does T wire them anything other thatn in parallel ?
>I vaguely recall something about the bell ringer something ..?
>does that still apply when they don't use bells anymore but some elsctronic buzzers ?

>/whatever the fault, the V92 winmodem outperformed external V90/

One cannot judge performance simply by the initial connection speed, as
reported
by DOIT etc.  To get a clear indication of speed, dload a large
(compressed) file
and monitor what is happening using some program like Smartbar.  At the
end of
the day, it is Bps that is important, not connection speed (which will
alter without
DOIT telling you)

For reference,  I'll give you an idea of speeds I get, & I have some
dirty line issues.
Connection speed:-  often 52000 (unimportant & does change when things
get rough)
Bps compressed:-  flat chat, 5656 Bps
Bps uncompressed:-  over 11000 Bps

The Woomera uses V90 & 56Flex, hence the term, dual modem.

I plugged this modem in and everything worked without doing anything eg.
DOIT, ZOC,
PMFAX.  I did try the voice side with PMFAX, alas, no show.  At the
moment, I don't
need an answering machine, so this is not an issue.  If circumstances
change, I will
play with it (Woomera) to get it going, or simply plug in my old 33K
Maestro.

No, I do not have any affiliation with Maestro, just nice to see
products that work well.
www.maestro dot com dot au

If you want a handset on the same ph line, you can plug it into the
Woomera which
would probably help with misbehaving handsets.

Note to Ed:-
Looking forward to you demonstrating eCS in Adelaide later this month.

Cheers
Wayne
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Date:  Sun, 04 May 2003 18:10:39 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths

Paul Smedley wrote:

> G'day Ed,
>
>
> And personally, I'd prefer Lite-On to Cyberdrive - whoever the hell they are :)
>

By the generic documentation, I suspect Cyberdrive actually only re-badge other peoples
hardware. Actually quite a few well known names buy in and re-badge. Anyway I'm happy with
the price and quality of build and the generic documentation does refer to OS/2 and DOS
support.

I'm about to build it in to replace my Ricoh 8x burner that I only bought a year ago, so
I'll see soon enough how well it actually works.

Cheers/2

Ed.

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Date:  Sun, 04 May 2003 18:16:50 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  modem problems solved, V92

I think you hit on the point. Performance depends on the quality (and often price) of the modem.
If your modem adjusts to match line impedance, that's a good thing to have, especially on "dirty"
lines as you say. Alas not all modems have this feature AFAIK.

Guess things may have changed since I used modems - I'm a total convert to Broadband now. My
download speed record is over 2Mb/s !! I know others claim more, but this was a single channel
download, not multi, so "true" speed.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Wayne wrote:

> Hi Voytek & Ed
>
> >** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> Sat, 03 May 2003 20:05:36 +1000
>
> >> Are the additional phones in your home on sockets installed by a qualified telco engineer ?
> >>
> >> if you've simply added the sockets yourself, in parrallel to the original one, the
> >> impedance will reduce and then the modem won't be matched to the line and yes, this will
> >> cause problems.
>
> AFAIK modems aren't aren't matched.  They just make a reasonable
> guess what impedance they are faced with.
>
> I use a Maestro Woomera modem (external).  This modem WILL
> change it's impedance to match the ph line (10 steps).  The
> Australian Farmer's Federation commissioned Maestro to produce
> a modem for "dirty" line conditions & the Woomera is the result.
>
> Expensive, but quite impressive!  At the end of the day ya got's ta
> ask yourself.  How much will it cost in the long run if you are getting
> less than optimum speed?  When you are comparing dows & Warp
> speeds, be sure to compare apples with apples.
>
> >don't know. some are certainly installed my me, others, might have existed
>
> >I am a semi qualified Telstra... how should they be wired ?
>
> >does T wire them anything other thatn in parallel ?
> >I vaguely recall something about the bell ringer something ..?
> >does that still apply when they don't use bells anymore but some elsctronic buzzers ?
>
> >/whatever the fault, the V92 winmodem outperformed external V90/
>
> One cannot judge performance simply by the initial connection speed, as
> reported
> by DOIT etc.  To get a clear indication of speed, dload a large
> (compressed) file
> and monitor what is happening using some program like Smartbar.  At the
> end of
> the day, it is Bps that is important, not connection speed (which will
> alter without
> DOIT telling you)
>
> For reference,  I'll give you an idea of speeds I get, & I have some
> dirty line issues.
> Connection speed:-  often 52000 (unimportant & does change when things
> get rough)
> Bps compressed:-  flat chat, 5656 Bps
> Bps uncompressed:-  over 11000 Bps
>
> The Woomera uses V90 & 56Flex, hence the term, dual modem.
>
> I plugged this modem in and everything worked without doing anything eg.
> DOIT, ZOC,
> PMFAX.  I did try the voice side with PMFAX, alas, no show.  At the
> moment, I don't
> need an answering machine, so this is not an issue.  If circumstances
> change, I will
> play with it (Woomera) to get it going, or simply plug in my old 33K
> Maestro.
>
> No, I do not have any affiliation with Maestro, just nice to see
> products that work well.
> www.maestro dot com dot au
>
> If you want a handset on the same ph line, you can plug it into the
> Woomera which
> would probably help with misbehaving handsets.
>
> Note to Ed:-
> Looking forward to you demonstrating eCS in Adelaide later this month.
>
> Cheers
> Wayne

>  

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Date:  Sun, 04 May 2003 19:28:07 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths

Ed Durrant wrote:

> I'm about to build it in to replace my Ricoh 8x burner that I only bought a year ago, so
> I'll see soon enough how well it actually works.
>

Works fine - 600 MB written in 2 minutes !! I couldn't believe it ! I used the CD sample
supplied with the drive, so I expect it's rated at 52 X (says just "multi-speed"), recorded at
52 x using CDRECORD/2. I've checked the CD produced and all data is accessible.

Next thing is to test if overburn will work on it. I have some 800MB (90Minute) CD-Rs. It's
supposed to be able to write 99 (or at least 94) minute CDs. This depends on getting suitable
media - apparently SAST (one of the cheap makes) is best !

Cheers/2

Ed.

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Date:  Sun, 04 May 2003 19:50:21 +0950 (CST)
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re:  52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths

Hi Ed,
On Sun, 04 May 2003 19:28:07 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Works fine - 600 MB written in 2 minutes !! I couldn't believe it ! I used the CD sample
>supplied with the drive, so I expect it's rated at 52 X (says just "multi-speed"), recorded 
at
>52 x using CDRECORD/2. I've checked the CD produced and all data is accessible.
Yeah 52x is nice :)  I moved from 20x to 52x and love it :)

>Next thing is to test if overburn will work on it. I have some 800MB (90Minute) CD-Rs. It's
>supposed to be able to write 99 (or at least 94) minute CDs. This depends on getting 
suitable
>media - apparently SAST (one of the cheap makes) is best !
Let me know how you go with Overburn and cdrecord.  I haven't been able to get it to work 
in OS/2 using the -overburn option on an ISO that was like 80:30 long.  Interestingly 
enogh, Nero under Win98 worked perfectly on the same media that failed a test write with 
cdrecord.

Regards,

Paul.

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Date:  Sun, 4 May 2003 22:34:42
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at

** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> Sun, 04 May 2003 13:47:25 +1000
 
> The adds say that the price has been reduced by $10 from $128 to $118, but when I went into the store 
> in Chatswood I found it has been reduced $30 to just $98 !! 
>  
> That's the same price as some of the CD players

ahem, last I checked, CD ROMs were about $35 retail, and, CD-R/RW $95 (Acer brand BenQ)

(that was several weeks ago when I dicovered my Sony SCSI CDROM won't read CD-RWs)

> and this is a 52 x burner. Be careful though, they also 
> have the slower (48x) CW088 model on sale at $98 as well. 

80 m/52=1.54
80 m/48=1.67

Voytek Eymont

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Date:  Sun, 04 May 2003 22:54:57 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re:  52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths

Gosh Ed, I feel positively ancient, my CDR400t & CDRW2460 SCSI Yamaha
writers just chug along, often making redbook audio CDs at 1x just so
they work well in ancient CD-players.

On Sun, 04 May 2003 19:28:07 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>
>
>Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>> I'm about to build it in to replace my Ricoh 8x burner that I only bought a year ago, so
>> I'll see soon enough how well it actually works.
>>
>
>Works fine - 600 MB written in 2 minutes !! I couldn't believe it ! I used the CD sample
>supplied with the drive, so I expect it's rated at 52 X (says just "multi-speed"), recorded at
>52 x using CDRECORD/2. I've checked the CD produced and all data is accessible.
>
>Next thing is to test if overburn will work on it. I have some 800MB (90Minute) CD-Rs. It's
>supposed to be able to write 99 (or at least 94) minute CDs. This depends on getting suitable
>media - apparently SAST (one of the cheap makes) is best !
>

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

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Date:  Sun, 4 May 2003 23:03:47
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  modem problems solved, V92

** Reply to note from Wayne <datablitz at optusnet dot com dot au> Sun, 04 May 2003 14:41:59 +0830

> I plugged this modem in and everything worked without doing anything eg. 
> DOIT, ZOC, 
> PMFAX.  I did try the voice side with PMFAX, alas, no show.  At the 
> moment, I don't 
> need an answering machine, so this is not an issue.  If circumstances 
> change, I will 
> play with it (Woomera) to get it going, or simply plug in my old 33K 
> Maestro.

what chipset does it use ? PMFax lets you select chipsets for voice usage

Voytek Eymont

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Date:  Sun, 4 May 2003 23:03:35
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re:  modem problems solved, V92

** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> Sat, 03 May 2003 21:53:59 +1000

> Sorry, I am also not a qualified telco engineer. I would guess however that they could install an 
> impedance matching transformer when multiple devices must be connected to one line. They could 
> certainly check the impedance at all sockets.

my understanding is that additional sockets are wired in parallel, nothing more,
nothing less.

I guess they could connect whatever, but, I'd guess, they don't.

anyhow, tonight I unplugged the Panasonic cordless, and, left the Swistell phone 'in' ,
and, only got 33.6, so, clearly the Swistell is the culprit.

with P plugged in , and S unplugged, I got about 45

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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