Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 563
From: Digest <deadmail>
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:02:07 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Tuesday 11 March 2003
 Number  563
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
2  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
3  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
4  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
5  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Peter <pgc at sub dot net dot au>
6  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
7  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
8  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
9  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
10  [os2genau] loading StG 'cant verify certificate' : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
11  Re: [os2genau] loading StG 'cant verify certificate' : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
12  Re: [os2genau] loading StG 'cant verify certificate' : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
13  Re: [os2genau] loading StG 'cant verify certificate' : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
14  Re: [os2genau] loading StG 'cant verify certificate' : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
15  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
16  Re: [os2genau] loading StG 'cant verify certificate' : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
17  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
18  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Peter <pgc at sub dot net dot au>
19  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Peter <pgc at sub dot net dot au>
20  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
21  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
22  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
23  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2 : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:24:34 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

Thanks for the update Kris,

   I knew something was coming from Serenity, however the fill in from you is very
valuable.

   Is flash also a Connectix product ?? I didn't think so. Innotek haven't been bought by
MS, only Connectix (who effectively "own" VPC), so why wouldn't Innotek develop a V6 of
flash ?

Cheers/2

Ed.

Kris Steenhaut wrote:

> Ed Durrant schreef:
>
> > Since the long term future of VPC/2 is now in doubt following Microsofts
> > takeover of Connectix, I would be interested if anyone knows of an
> > alternative "Virtualisation Engine" for OS/2 ?
> >
>
> I had at the hot time a conversation with Joachim Benjamins from Mensys. Albeit they
> didn't know what was going on exactly, they knew already since over 6 months there was
> something odd going on. For the reason Connectix/Innotek stubbornly and for no good
> reason at all delayed the signing of the contract for the implementation of VPC in
> eCS.
> Yes, indeed, Connetix/Innotek played foul a play.
>
> Now, as they knew there was something stinking, they already were looking for a
> replacement. "os2 you" or something like that. It's a VIC for Linus, in which ex
> already can run. Joachim told me it would be not to difficult create a version for ex
> too, and now they are working on it.
>
> So, if you want to know more, you'll have to ask Manses or Sear. Scsi., for I'm not in
> their marketing business really. :-)
>
> You always can send a mail to joachim at manses.Nr with my regards.
>
> bow: so, the VIC wouldn't be a problem. However, Flash for OS2/2 could be, will be, as
> I can't imagine M$ would allow the production of Flash 6.x for OS2.
> Albeit, as an afterthought,  it could well be M$ will kill Flash, for it's a
> competitor after all.
> Time will say. And we won't have to wait for long.
>
> --
> Groeten uit Gent,
>
>    Kris
>

>  

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:26:37 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

I thought Flash was from Macromedia ....

Ed Durrant wrote:

> Thanks for the update Kris,
>
>    I knew something was coming from Serenity, however the fill in from you is very
> valuable.
>
>    Is flash also a Connectix product ?? I didn't think so. Innotek haven't been bought by
> MS, only Connectix (who effectively "own" VPC), so why wouldn't Innotek develop a V6 of
> flash ?
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
>
> Kris Steenhaut wrote:
>
> > Ed Durrant schreef:
> >
> > > Since the long term future of VPC/2 is now in doubt following Microsofts
> > > takeover of Connectix, I would be interested if anyone knows of an
> > > alternative "Virtualisation Engine" for OS/2 ?
> > >
> >
> > I had at the hot time a conversation with Joachim Benjamins from Mensys. Albeit they
> > didn't know what was going on exactly, they knew already since over 6 months there was
> > something odd going on. For the reason Connectix/Innotek stubbornly and for no good
> > reason at all delayed the signing of the contract for the implementation of VPC in
> > eCS.
> > Yes, indeed, Connetix/Innotek played foul a play.
> >
> > Now, as they knew there was something stinking, they already were looking for a
> > replacement. "os2 you" or something like that. It's a VIC for Linus, in which ex
> > already can run. Joachim told me it would be not to difficult create a version for ex
> > too, and now they are working on it.
> >
> > So, if you want to know more, you'll have to ask Manses or Sear. Scsi., for I'm not in
> > their marketing business really. :-)
> >
> > You always can send a mail to joachim at manses.Nr with my regards.
> >
> > bow: so, the VIC wouldn't be a problem. However, Flash for OS2/2 could be, will be, as
> > I can't imagine M$ would allow the production of Flash 6.x for OS2.
> > Albeit, as an afterthought,  it could well be M$ will kill Flash, for it's a
> > competitor after all.
> > Time will say. And we won't have to wait for long.
> >
> > --
> > Groeten uit Gent,
> >
> >    Kris
> >
> 
> >  
> 
>

>  

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:28:27 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

Ed Durrant schreef:

>
>    Is flash also a Connectix product ??

Alas.

> I didn't think so. Innotek haven't been bought by
> MS, only Connectix (who effectively "own" VPC), so why wouldn't Innotek develop a V6 of
> flash ?

We better face it:

- Connectix doesn't exist anymore.
- So far Innotek still is there, but imho it's completely in hands of M$. In the end, the
former employees of Connectix were/are the very same at Innotek.

Have a look at
http://www.innotek.de/products_e.html

They even don't bother to keep up appearences.

>                         -General-
>                                     -Resellers-
>                                                   -Support-
>
>
>
>
>                         "People migrating away from legacy OS/2 are the principle users of the
>                         Connectix Windows client product. Microsoft is fully committed to carrying
>                         that effort forward and to helping those sun-setting OS/2 in 2006 migrate
>                         over to XP."
>                         Roy McDonald, CEO, Connectix Corp.
>

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:33:18 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

Ed Durrant schreef:

> I thought Flash was from Macromedia ....
>

Flash for OS/2 is an Innotek product. Have a look at the about page in help-->about
plugins-->Shockwave Flash 5.0 r67

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:56:07 +1100
From:  Peter <pgc at sub dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

Ed Durrant wrote:

> Since the long term future of VPC/2 is now in doubt following Microsofts
> takeover of Connectix, I would be interested if anyone knows of an
> alternative "Virtualisation Engine" for OS/2 ?
>

I guess this topic stemmed from an article in The Australian's IT Alive section on 4
March.  Whilst the existence VPC might be shakey, the article does say that a new
program called Virtual Server will be coming out which will allow a single network
server to run Windows NT, Linux, Unix AND OS/2.

So I dont know why the feeling of doom & gloom is prevailing amongst some of you.

Regards
Peter

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:02:54 +1000
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

Kris Steenhaut wrote:

>Ed Durrant schreef:
>
>>I thought Flash was from Macromedia ....
>>
>
>Flash for OS/2 is an Innotek product. Have a look at the about page in help-->about
>plugins-->Shockwave Flash 5.0 r67
>
Hi Kris, [Ed,]
If going the IBMWB/Mozilla|Plugins route make sure to read the page 
accessed by SETTINGS button and then the "Help|Macromedia Flash 5 Player 
for OS/2" or  RUN the Macromedia Flash5 for OS/2 Player [standalone] 
from the "Macromedia Flash 5 Player for OS/2" Desktop folder created at 
installation and then select the HELP menu [only one option]and verify 
the correctness of the following.

 From the COPYRIGHT section of the Flash5 for OS/2 readme.txt:--

12. COPYRIGHTS
--------------

(C) 2000-2002 InnoTek(R) Systemberatung GmbH
http://www.innotek.de

Contains Macromedia(R) Flash(TM) Player technology by
Macromedia, Inc., Copyright (C) 1995-2000 Macromedia,
Inc. All rights reserved. Macromedia, Flash and
Macromedia Flash are trademarks or registered
trademarks of Macromedia, Inc. in the United States
and internationally.

Contains code from mpg123
Copyright (C) 1995-99 by Michael Hipp and others

Contains Independent JPEG Group's JPEG software
Copyright (C) 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, Thomas G. Lane.

Contains the zlib library
Copyright (C) 1995-1996 Mark Adler
Copyright (C) 1995-1996 Jean-loup Gailly

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:47:22 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

Looks like Australia It only reported part of the story ...

Microsoft bought Connectix, the company who wrote Virtual PC for MAC and windows and
Virtual Server for Windows (only in alpha code at the moment).

Microsoft have stated that they will "incorporate" these products into an upcoming
version of Windows, enabling the execution of other Operating Systems under Windows,
either on a workstation or server platform.   Other operating systems includes other
versions of Windows. Hence if Virtual Server is incorporated into Windows .NET Server
2003, multiple Windows NT4 servers (for example) can be run on the one machine, giving a
path for the majority of Windows Servers onto the new platform and reducing the number
of physical servers required in a network.

Innotek Germany, negotiated the rights to produce Virtual PC for OS/2 with Connectix a
couple of years ago. This product (now at v 5.1) allows all windows platforms, Linux,
DOS and various other OSes to be run as a guest on top of the host OS/2 operating
system.

Since Connectix is now owned by Microsoft, there is doubt that this product will
continue in the long term. Microsofts statement says that for the interim, all Virtual
PC products will still be available from and supported by the existing distribution
channels.

But IMHO that's only the interim, until Windows absorbs the code.

Cheers/2

Ed.

P.S. BOCHS is the other virtualisation engine I was looking for. I have downloaded it
and am testing it at the moment. It's certainly not as slick as VPC however.

Peter wrote:

> Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> > Since the long term future of VPC/2 is now in doubt following Microsofts
> > takeover of Connectix, I would be interested if anyone knows of an
> > alternative "Virtualisation Engine" for OS/2 ?
> >
>
> I guess this topic stemmed from an article in The Australian's IT Alive section on 4
> March.  Whilst the existence VPC might be shakey, the article does say that a new
> program called Virtual Server will be coming out which will allow a single network
> server to run Windows NT, Linux, Unix AND OS/2.
>
> So I dont know why the feeling of doom & gloom is prevailing amongst some of you.
>
> Regards
> Peter
>

>  

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:55:47 +1000
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

Peter wrote:

>Ed Durrant wrote:
>
>>Since the long term future of VPC/2 is now in doubt following Microsofts
>>takeover of Connectix, I would be interested if anyone knows of an
>>alternative "Virtualisation Engine" for OS/2 ?
>>
>I guess this topic stemmed from an article in The Australian's IT Alive section on 4
>March
>
News was already almost a fortnight old by then!!

>.  Whilst the existence VPC might be shakey, the article does say that a new
>program called Virtual Server will be coming out which will allow a single network
>server to run Windows NT, Linux, Unix AND OS/2.
>
>So I dont know why the feeling of doom & gloom is prevailing amongst some of you.
>
Hi Peter and all,
Under the  topic "[eCS ] MS to buy Connectix" at 06:11 on 20th February 
2003 [AEST] on the eComStation group at Yahoogroups dot com, the subject, 
with input from the developers of VPC/2 [Innotek], got done to death - 
so if you want definitive information read through the posts there. Or 
look at news.ecomstation dot com[or .nl] in the NGs 
ecomstation.lists.ecomstation and ecomstation.support.vpc for easier access.
HTH
This was the original "breaking news" URL:--

http://www.crn dot com/sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID=40038

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:58:24
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

** Reply to note from Peter <pgc at sub dot net dot au> Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:56:07 +1100

> I guess this topic stemmed from an article in The Australian's IT Alive section on 4 
> March.  Whilst the existence VPC might be shakey, the article does say that a new 
> program called Virtual Server will be coming out which will allow a single network 
> server to run Windows NT, Linux, Unix AND OS/2. 
>  
> So I dont know why the feeling of doom & gloom is prevailing amongst some of you.

yeah, sure.

they also said windoze would multitask
and not crash

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:16:20
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] loading StG 'cant verify certificate'

i'm accessing st george bank with mozilla 13b

it takes aaagggeeesss, then I get some Java message about unable to verify
something (i tried to c'n'paste the message but it didn't),
then it all works fine

does anuone else get similar problem ?

(hhmmm, my system is set to locale 'pl' and 852 code pages, and, I get all
the java messages in polish, I wonder if that can make a difference...?)

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:23:01
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] loading StG 'cant verify certificate'

** Reply to note from Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au> Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:16:20 

> i'm accessing st george bank with mozilla 13b 
>  
> it takes aaagggeeesss, then I get some Java message about unable to verify 
> something (i tried to c'n'paste the message but it didn't), 
> then it all works fine 
>  
> does anuone else get similar problem ? 
>  
> (hhmmm, my system is set to locale 'pl' and 852 code pages, and, I get all 
> the java messages in polish, I wonder if that can make a difference...?)

forgot to add, Mozilla 13b and Java 131
<groper>[C:\]F:\java131\jre\bin\java -version
java version "1.3.1"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.1)
Classic VM (build 1.3.1, J2RE 1.3.1 IBM build co131-20020710 (JIT enabled: jitc)
)

Voytek Eymont

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:02:14 +1000
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] loading StG 'cant verify certificate'

Voytek Eymont wrote:

>i'm accessing st george bank with mozilla 13b
>
>it takes aaagggeeesss, then I get some Java message about unable to verify
>something (i tried to c'n'paste the message but it didn't),
>then it all works fine
>
>does anuone else get similar problem ?
>
>(hhmmm, my system is set to locale 'pl' and 852 code pages, and, I get all
>the java messages in polish, I wonder if that can make a difference...?)
>  
>
Hi Voytek,
I'd reckon it sure does. Set locale to en_AU and config.sys to 437,850 
or 850,437 codepages, no matter which Java versions you're using in OS/2!
HTH

-- 
Regards,
Mike

Failed the exam for
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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:36:10
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] loading StG 'cant verify certificate'

** Reply to note from "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au> Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:02:14 +1000

> I'd reckon it sure does. Set locale to en_AU and config.sys to 437,850  
> or 850,437 codepages, no matter which Java versions you're using in OS/2! 
> HTH

OK, I'll reset local (but, leave the code page 852, as I nned to edit/create
ISO Latin2 text sometimes)

(the other thing it upset, is Mesa, it makes me use ',' as decimal
separatro, and, use not $ but 'zl')

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:21:57 +1000
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] loading StG 'cant verify certificate'

Voytek Eymont wrote:

>** Reply to note from "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au> Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:02:14 +1000
>
>>I'd reckon it sure does. Set locale to en_AU and config.sys to 437,850  
>>or 850,437 codepages, no matter which Java versions you're using in OS/2! 
>>HTH
>>    
>>
>
>OK, I'll reset local (but, leave the code page 852, as I nned to edit/create
>ISO Latin2 text sometimes)
>
>(the other thing it upset, is Mesa, it makes me use ',' as decimal
>separatro, and, use not $ but 'zl')
>
Hi Voytek,
It hasn't befallen any of my systems, but I have not infrequently seen 
reports from others of the locale changing to e.g. Norway, with similar 
problems. Also check your "SET TCPLANG=" in config.sys as well as "SET 
LANG=".

-- 
Regards,
Mike

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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:14:32 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

Mike O'Connor schreef:

> >Flash for OS/2 is an Innotek product. Have a look at the about page in help-->about
> >plugins-->Shockwave Flash 5.0 r67
> >
> Hi Kris, [Ed,]
> If going the IBMWB/Mozilla|Plugins route make sure to read the page
> accessed by SETTINGS button and then the "Help|Macromedia Flash 5 Player
> for OS/2" or  RUN the Macromedia Flash5 for OS/2 Player [standalone]
> from the "Macromedia Flash 5 Player for OS/2" Desktop folder created at
> installation and then select the HELP menu [only one option]and verify
> the correctness of the following.
>
>  From the COPYRIGHT section of the Flash5 for OS/2 readme.txt:--
>
> 12. COPYRIGHTS
> --------------
>
> (C) 2000-2002 InnoTek(R) Systemberatung GmbH
> http://www.innotek.de
>
> Contains Macromedia(R) Flash(TM) Player technology by
> Macromedia, Inc., Copyright (C) 1995-2000 Macromedia,
>

Now, what is it what you want to say?

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:07:10 +1050 (CDT)
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] loading StG 'cant verify certificate'

Voytek,

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:16:20, Voytek Eymont wrote:
>i'm accessing st george bank with mozilla 13b
>
>it takes aaagggeeesss, then I get some Java message about unable to verify
>something (i tried to c'n'paste the message but it didn't),
>then it all works fine
>
>does anuone else get similar problem ?

FWIW - the Bank SA applet which afaik is the same ass the StG one loads fine here 
with latest Mozilla daily build and October Java 1.3.1 update.

Regards,

Paul.

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:42:40 +1000
From:  "Mike O'Connor" <mikeoc at dodo dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

Kris Steenhaut wrote:

>Mike O'Connor schreef:
>
>>>Flash for OS/2 is an Innotek product. Have a look at the about page in help-->about
>>>plugins-->Shockwave Flash 5.0 r67
>>>
>>Hi Kris, [Ed,]
>>If going the IBMWB/Mozilla|Plugins route make sure to read the page
>>accessed by SETTINGS button and then the "Help|Macromedia Flash 5 Player
>>for OS/2" or  RUN the Macromedia Flash5 for OS/2 Player [standalone]
>>from the "Macromedia Flash 5 Player for OS/2" Desktop folder created at
>>installation and then select the HELP menu [only one option]and verify
>>the correctness of the following.
>>
>> From the COPYRIGHT section of the Flash5 for OS/2 readme.txt:--
>>
>>12. COPYRIGHTS
>>--------------
>>
>>(C) 2000-2002 InnoTek(R) Systemberatung GmbH
>>http://www.innotek.de
>>
>>Contains Macromedia(R) Flash(TM) Player technology by
>>Macromedia, Inc., Copyright (C) 1995-2000 Macromedia,
>>
>
>Now, what is it what you want to say?
>
>  
>
Hi Kris,
Flash Technology [the engine] is *owned* by Macromedia - NOT Innotek, 
who wrote the code that enables Flash 4/5 to run under OS/2-eCS.
Hence it is not owned by Connectix [& by inference M$], even though you 
paid Connectix for your copy, as that was purely a business decision of 
Innotek's to have their low volume of sales handled by Connectix.
End of story.

-- 
Regards,
Mike

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MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:00:01 +1100
From:  Peter <pgc at sub dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

Voytek Eymont wrote:

> ** Reply to note from Peter <pgc at sub dot net dot au> Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:56:07 +1100
>
> > I guess this topic stemmed from an article in The Australian's IT Alive section on 4
> > March.  Whilst the existence VPC might be shakey, the article does say that a new
> > program called Virtual Server will be coming out which will allow a single network
> > server to run Windows NT, Linux, Unix AND OS/2.
> >
> > So I dont know why the feeling of doom & gloom is prevailing amongst some of you.
>
> yeah, sure.
>
> they also said windoze would multitask
> and not crash
>
> Voytek Eymont
> SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
> http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
> phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118

lol  true

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:13:40 +1100
From:  Peter <pgc at sub dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

Mike O'Connor wrote:

> Peter wrote:
>
> >Ed Durrant wrote:
> >
> >>Since the long term future of VPC/2 is now in doubt following Microsofts
> >>takeover of Connectix, I would be interested if anyone knows of an
> >>alternative "Virtualisation Engine" for OS/2 ?
> >>
> >I guess this topic stemmed from an article in The Australian's IT Alive section on 4
> >March
>
> News was already almost a fortnight old by then!!
>
> >.  Whilst the existence VPC might be shakey, the article does say that a new
> >program called Virtual Server will be coming out which will allow a single network
> >server to run Windows NT, Linux, Unix AND OS/2.
> >
> >So I dont know why the feeling of doom & gloom is prevailing amongst some of you.
> >
> Hi Peter and all,
> Under the  topic "[eCS ] MS to buy Connectix" at 06:11 on 20th February
> 2003 [AEST] on the eComStation group at Yahoogroups dot com, the subject,
> with input from the developers of VPC/2 [Innotek], got done to death -
> so if you want definitive information read through the posts there. Or
> look at news.ecomstation dot com[or .nl] in the NGs
> ecomstation.lists.ecomstation and ecomstation.support.vpc for easier access.
> HTH
> This was the original "breaking news" URL:--
>
> http://www.crn dot com/sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID=40038
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> Failed the exam for
> --------------------
> MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
> --------------------
>

Cant believe the australian papparazzi can be so slow.   Now maybe if they werent using
Windows.......

Peter

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:56:00 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

Mike O'Connor schreef:

> Flash Technology [the engine] is *owned* by Macromedia

Yes, of course.

> - NOT Innotek,
> who wrote the code that enables Flash 4/5 to run under OS/2-eCS.

But they own the copyrights of Flash for OS2 !!!!! Have a good look please, copyrights for
flash/2 are in hands of Innotek, meaning in reality they are now in the hands of M$.

>
> Hence it is not owned by Connectix [& by inference M$],

The copyrights of our working Flash for OS/2  are copyright
"Innotek Systemberatung gmbh". Please, do have a double GOOD look at the about tab and
click at the  "about screen" sub tab. You'll see a movie there where once again clearly is
stated Flash for OS/2 is copyrighted by Innotek. There can be no doubt all Flash/2 is
copyrighted by Innotek. Sorry for repeating myself.
And in the very same "about screen" you also can see Flash for OS/2 contains Macromedia
Flash (copyrighted).
So it's quite clear Flash for OS/2 and Macromedia Flash are two separate products with two
different owners (two different copyright holders).
Now, if you dare you can take a look further: in the same "about screen" movie you can see
displayed the names of the authors, the composers if you like, of Flash for OS/2.
They all (maybe all but one) had to move with Connectix to M$. In this condition, we can
be pretty sure they aren't allowed to work on/for OS2 and eCS even in their free time.

Seems you're still not quite aware of what kind of company M$ is. M$ never leaves loose
ends!

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:46:27 +1050 (CDT)
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:56:00 +0100, Kris Steenhaut wrote:

>But they own the copyrights of Flash for OS2 !!!!! Have a good look please, copyrights 
for
>flash/2 are in hands of Innotek, meaning in reality they are now in the hands of M$.

How so?  AFAIK Microsoft purchased Connectix who developed Virtual PC; NOT 
Innotek who licensed the Virtual PC code from Connectix and ported it to OS/2.

Just cause Innotek port Connectix code doesn't mean they're a owned by Connectix!

Regards,

Paul

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:19:06 +0100
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

Paul Smedley schreef:

>
> How so?  AFAIK Microsoft purchased Connectix who developed Virtual PC;

Yep.

> NOT
> Innotek who licensed the Virtual PC code from Connectix and ported it to OS/2.

I think they did too. Remember, they gave no comment about the "details" of the agreement.

>
>
> Just cause Innotek port Connectix code doesn't mean they're a owned by Connectix!
>

It doesn't mean  either that M$ couldn't  own the majority of shares. I think M$ does, and
is keeping Innotek alive for some reasons for some time.

Why do I think that?

1. Because of the announcement at the *INNOTEK* site I already referred to.
2. Because about all of the Innotek programmers have moved to M$.

Come on, do you really think M$ would allow them to program for OS/2, even in their free
time? I can't believe you would believe that.

When people can't face the facts, no wonder M$ always gets away with it.

- There shall be NO vpc anymore for OS/2.
- There shall be NO Flash/2 anymore.

To bad, but it's that what it is.

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:52:03
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Alternative to Virtual PC/2

** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut at hccnet.nl> Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:19:06 +0100

> When people can't face the facts, no wonder M$ always gets away with it. 
>  
> - There shall be NO vpc anymore for OS/2. 
> - There shall be NO Flash/2 anymore. 
>  
> To bad, but it's that what it is.

whilst I haven't quite followed this thread in details, re, who own who
works for whom who owns what,

I'm afraid, Kris is most likely right...
but, we'll keep hoping he's wrong...

luckily, the present version is pretty good

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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