Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 481
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:02:03 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Friday 01 November 2002
 Number  481
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re: [os2genau] [os2genau] OT: Humor - Tagline : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
2  Re: [os2genau] No. 480 : C James <mrcajames at yahoo dot com>
3  [os2genau] Inet banking, browsers, Java and OS/2 : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
4  Re: [os2genau] Inet banking, browsers, Java and OS/2 : Gregory Hicks <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
5  [os2genau] Netscape 4.61 and PostScript Printing : Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>
6  Re: [os2genau] No. 480 : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re: [os2genau] Inet banking, browsers, Java and OS/2 : David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>

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Date:  Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:56:44 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] [os2genau] OT: Humor - Tagline

On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:37:42 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Bricks tied to a dogs head - that sounds like Animal cruelty, but I
>suppose making someone use Microsoft products could also be descibed
>as contravening human rights ??

But, despite the fact that it's a lay-down misŠre, would the UN take it on
while they are busy grappling with the Iraq question?

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldad at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au
____________________________________________

>Ed.
>
>Ian Manners wrote:
>> 
>> A computer without a Microsoft operating system
>> is like a dog without bricks tied to its head.
>> 
>> (Couldnt resist)
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Ian B Manners
>> http://www.os2site dot com/
>> 
>> I believe in getting into hot water.  It keeps you clean.
>
>>  
>

> 

>
>

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Date:  Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:12:34 -0800 (PST)
From:  C James <mrcajames at yahoo dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] No. 480

Hello

There IS an open source (no cost) RDP client floating around 
called RDesktop.  Here is the url:  

http://www.rdesktop dot org/

It may actually be cheaper for the large bank to pay Innotek, 
Golden Code or Netlabs etc to port RDesktop to OS/2, than to 
pay for 600+ Microsoft RDP licences (or Citrix ICA licences).

Good luck.

Chris

--- Digest <deadmail> wrote:
> **************************************************
> Thursday 31 October 2002
>  Number  480
> **************************************************
> 
> Subjects for today
>  
> 1  Re: [os2genau] Need Info down-under in the good old South Africa. : John
> Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
> 2  Re: [os2genau] Need Info down-under in the good old South Africa. : Ed
> Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
> 3  Re: [os2genau] Need Info down-under in the good old South Africa. : Alan"
> <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
> 4  Re: [os2genau] [os2genau] Need Info down-under in the good old
> South Africa. : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
> 5  Re: [os2genau] No. 477 : C James <mrcajames at yahoo dot com>
> 6  Re: [os2genau] No. 477 : Alan" <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
> 7  [os2genau] OT:  Humor - Tagline : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
> 8  Re: [os2genau] OT:  Humor - Tagline : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
> 
> **= Email   1 ==========================**
> 
> Date:  Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:03:01 +1100 (EDT)
> From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
> Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Need Info down-under in the good old South Africa.
> 
> On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:16:42 +0200, Ferreira, Charles C wrote:
> 
> >Good day to you all!
> 
> Hello from Australia Charles!
> 
> Sorry about the delay in responding, but I have been out of email conotact
> for a week or so. 
> 
> I am replying as the SIG Convener, and copying your request to our mailing
> list.
> 
> >Hi my name is Charles a Senior Business Analyst/Project Manager working for
> >one of the biggest financial institutions in Africa. We run WSODII in our
> >branches, but Microsoft for our Office systems and mail within our HQ. Now
> >the question, does your group know of a RDP client I can use to provide
> >Microsoft Office & Mail via Netscape or just a RDP client. We do however
> >have large installations of CITRIX providing this functionality on OS2 RIPL
> >Clients running WSODII. 
> >
> >The problem I do have is that CITRIX is quite expensive and I need to roll
> >MS Mail and Office to +- 600 branches countrywide, I need to find a cheaper
> >solution. Also running a Proof Of Concept on Tarantella at present.
> >
> >Can you help?
> 
> There is quite a diverse range of skills and knowledge represented on this
> list, so I suggest that you will receive a number of comments and replies.
> We are a mixed body of IT professionals, corporate as well as small
> business, plus individuals and enthusiasts for OS/2. 
> 
> To List members: 
> 1. Please reply off the list initially, since this enquiry is likely to
> include matters of commercial confidentiality. I have modified the
> disclaimer clauses at the end of Charles' original email to protect
> commercial privacy. Those who know the finance field and understand how
> these things work would probably be able to read between the lines.
> Meanwhile the rest of us won't have a clue, and that's fine.
> 
> 2. Please allow Charles the courtesy of vetting your initial responses
> within the framework of his project requirements and security parameters,
> without getting your nose out of joint should he decline to entrust you
> with too much internal data. 
> 
> 3. Given the corporate nature of the setup described, comments recommending
> other mail/office suite software (eg: "what about Domino/Notes/Smartsuite")
> will probably be a waste of bandwidth UNLESS there is no other way to
> achieve Charles' required solution within the given parameters.
> 
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> Melbourne PC User Group Inc.
> Melbourne VIC AUSTRALIA
> talldad at kepl dot com dot au
> ____________________________________________
> 
> [Quote]
> Disclaimer and confidentiality note
> 
> Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relating to the official
> business of 
> XXXXXXX Bank Group Limited is proprietary to the company. It is
> confidential, legally 
> privileged and protected by law. XXXXXXX Bank does not own and endorse any
> other content. 
> Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being
> that of XXXXXXX Bank. 
> 
> The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please
> notify the sender 
> immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose
> or use the content
> in any way. 
> 
> XXXXXXX Bank can not assure that the integrity of this communication has
> been maintained nor 
> that it is free of errors, virus, interception or interference.
> ______________________________________________
> 
> [/quote]
> 
> 
>
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>  
> 
> **= Email   2 ==========================**
> 
> Date:  Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:34:01 +1100
> From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
> Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Need Info down-under in the good old South Africa.
> 
> you haven't included Charles' e-mail address !!
> 
> Ed.
> 
> John Angelico wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:16:42 +0200, Ferreira, Charles C wrote:
> > 
> > >Good day to you all!
> > 
> > Hello from Australia Charles!
> > 
> > Sorry about the delay in responding, but I have been out of email conotact
> > for a week or so.
> > 
> > I am replying as the SIG Convener, and copying your request to our mailing
> > list.
> > 
> > >Hi my name is Charles a Senior Business Analyst/Project Manager working
> for
> > >one of the biggest financial institutions in Africa. We run WSODII in our
> > >branches, but Microsoft for our Office systems and mail within our HQ. Now
> > >the question, does your group know of a RDP client I can use to provide
> > >Microsoft Office & Mail via Netscape or just a RDP client. We do however
> > >have large installations of CITRIX providing this functionality on OS2
> RIPL
> > >Clients running WSODII.
> > >
> > >The problem I do have is that CITRIX is quite expensive and I need to roll
> > >MS Mail and Office to +- 600 branches countrywide, I need to find a
> cheaper
> > >solution. Also running a Proof Of Concept on Tarantella at present.
> > >
> > >Can you help?
> > 
> > There is quite a diverse range of skills and knowledge represented on this
> > list, so I suggest that you will receive a number of comments and replies.
> > We are a mixed body of IT professionals, corporate as well as small
> > business, plus individuals and enthusiasts for OS/2.
> > 
> > To List members:
> > 1. Please reply off the list initially, since this enquiry is likely to
> > include matters of commercial confidentiality. I have modified the
> > disclaimer clauses at the end of Charles' original email to protect
> > commercial privacy. Those who know the finance field and understand how
> > these things work would probably be able to read between the lines.
> > Meanwhile the rest of us won't have a clue, and that's fine.
> > 
> > 2. Please allow Charles the courtesy of vetting your initial responses
> > within the framework of his project requirements and security parameters,
> > without getting your nose out of joint should he decline to entrust you
> > with too much internal data.
> > 
> > 3. Given the corporate nature of the setup described, comments recommending
> > other mail/office suite software (eg: "what about Domino/Notes/Smartsuite")
> > will probably be a waste of bandwidth UNLESS there is no other way to
> > achieve Charles' required solution within the given parameters.
> > 
> > Best regards
> > John Angelico
> > OS/2 SIG
> > Melbourne PC User Group Inc.
> > Melbourne VIC AUSTRALIA
> > talldad at kepl dot com dot au
> > ____________________________________________
> > 
> > [Quote]
> > Disclaimer and confidentiality note
> > 
> > Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relating to the official
> > business of
> > XXXXXXX Bank Group Limited is proprietary to the company. It is
> > confidential, legally
> > privileged and protected by law. XXXXXXX Bank does not own and endorse any
> > other content.
> > Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being
> > that of XXXXXXX Bank.
> > 
> > The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please
> > notify the sender
> > immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose
> > or use the content
> > in any way.
> 
=== message truncated ===

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Date:  Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:03:03
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] Inet banking, browsers, Java and OS/2

with reference to the earlier threads;
browsers, Inet banking, and life in general

can someone explain this:

with N4.61 Java 1.8 I can connect OK to St George, and, use it;
BUT, I get the 'older' interface/feature set

so, installed Mozilla 12b, and Java 1.31: I still get the 'older' i/f

If I log on with IExploder on Doze, i get the up-to-date i/face.

is it a IE specific plugin ? 

I thought, the whole thing is driven from an applet ?

so, IE gets a certain applet, non-IE, get a different applet ?

enquiring minds need to know,

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:50:42 +1030
From:  Gregory Hicks <ghicks at ihug dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Inet banking, browsers, Java and OS/2

Hi Voytek,

Voytek Eymont wrote:

> with reference to the earlier threads;
> browsers, Inet banking, and life in general
>
> can someone explain this:
>
> with N4.61 Java 1.8 I can connect OK to St George, and, use it;
> BUT, I get the 'older' interface/feature set

My understanding is this:
    Each browser has a function (just like the OS) where they
    return the OEM and Version.

    Using this function, the server can then dish up the "correct"
    version of what ever is required.  This can be the applet, interfaces
    and other bits and peices.

    The new standard on the web is XML and without being able to
    read that, you will find that you will get the old interfaces.

    If you read up on XML, either from w3 dot org or xml dot org it make sense.
    XML is used in preference to HTML, but the browser must render
    XML and "materialise" it back to HTML for rendering and displaying.

    The material I read from w3 and XML orgs indicates that we need to
    update our browsers to get XML support.

    Hopefully this and a quick read  at  w3 and xml will help you get the idea

>
>
> so, installed Mozilla 12b, and Java 1.31: I still get the 'older' i/f
>
> If I log on with IExploder on Doze, i get the up-to-date i/face.
>
> is it a IE specific plugin ?
>
> I thought, the whole thing is driven from an applet ?
>
> so, IE gets a certain applet, non-IE, get a different applet ?
>
> enquiring minds need to know,
>
> Voytek Eymont
> SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
> http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
> phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118

>  

--

cheers

Gregory Hicks
Q48036388 3rd Year CQU BIT

"I took a bigger challenge - study externally and long distance"

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Date:  Fri, 01 Nov 2002 18:30:11 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" <chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] Netscape 4.61 and PostScript Printing

Hi All,
	I've got a problem with netscape printing to a Lexmark Optra S
1855 PS 2 printer. Basically it doesn't.

	I can see the printer and print to it from any other application.

	The printer is a auto sensing PCL and PS 1/2 printer.

	If I print to it from NS to the PCL printer it prints ok.
	
	If I print to it from NS to the PS printer (level 1 or 2) it gets
downloaded, the printer whirs as if it is going to print out a page but
doesn't.

	If I download an error handler, I get this:

	ERROR: undefined
	OFFENDING COMMAND: ic

	STACK:

	And that is it.

	I have sucessfully printed to it in the past (pre WSeB???).

	So do I need a newer driver (cann't find the version of what I've
got) or is NS broken?

	TIA,

-Chris

WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2.
Voice:  +61-3-9307-0611  PO Box 212   FidoNet:     3:632/344
FAX:    +61-3-9307-0633  Brunswick    Internet:    chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au
BBS:    +61-3-9307-0644  VIC 3056     CompuServe:  100250,1645
300-28,800  N,8,1 ANSI   Australia    Web Page:
                                      http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au

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Date:  Fri, 01 Nov 2002 21:02:56 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] No. 480

Only one problem with that logic Chris, the licences are based on
connections to the server and is controlled at the server end. So
getting lots of clients does not mean that they will all work at the
same time, if you've only got say 5 licences, then that's 4 users
plus console max.

Ed.

C James wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> There IS an open source (no cost) RDP client floating around
> called RDesktop.  Here is the url:
> 
> http://www.rdesktop dot org/
> 
> It may actually be cheaper for the large bank to pay Innotek,
> Golden Code or Netlabs etc to port RDesktop to OS/2, than to
> pay for 600+ Microsoft RDP licences (or Citrix ICA licences).
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Chris
> 
> --- Digest <deadmail> wrote:
> > **************************************************
> > Thursday 31 October 2002
> >  Number  480
> > **************************************************
> >
> > Subjects for today
> >
> > 1  Re: [os2genau] Need Info down-under in the good old South Africa. : John
> > Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
> > 2  Re: [os2genau] Need Info down-under in the good old South Africa. : Ed
> > Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
> > 3  Re: [os2genau] Need Info down-under in the good old South Africa. : Alan"
> > <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
> > 4  Re: [os2genau] [os2genau] Need Info down-under in the good old
> > South Africa. : John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
> > 5  Re: [os2genau] No. 477 : C James <mrcajames at yahoo dot com>
> > 6  Re: [os2genau] No. 477 : Alan" <aheiser at ozemail dot com dot au>
> > 7  [os2genau] OT:  Humor - Tagline : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
> > 8  Re: [os2genau] OT:  Humor - Tagline : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
> >
> > **= Email   1 ==========================**
> >
> > Date:  Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:03:01 +1100 (EDT)
> > From:  "John Angelico" <talldad at kepl dot com dot au>
> > Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Need Info down-under in the good old South Africa.
> >
> > On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:16:42 +0200, Ferreira, Charles C wrote:
> >
> > >Good day to you all!
> >
> > Hello from Australia Charles!
> >
> > Sorry about the delay in responding, but I have been out of email conotact
> > for a week or so.
> >
> > I am replying as the SIG Convener, and copying your request to our mailing
> > list.
> >
> > >Hi my name is Charles a Senior Business Analyst/Project Manager working for
> > >one of the biggest financial institutions in Africa. We run WSODII in our
> > >branches, but Microsoft for our Office systems and mail within our HQ. Now
> > >the question, does your group know of a RDP client I can use to provide
> > >Microsoft Office & Mail via Netscape or just a RDP client. We do however
> > >have large installations of CITRIX providing this functionality on OS2 RIPL
> > >Clients running WSODII.
> > >
> > >The problem I do have is that CITRIX is quite expensive and I need to roll
> > >MS Mail and Office to +- 600 branches countrywide, I need to find a cheaper
> > >solution. Also running a Proof Of Concept on Tarantella at present.
> > >
> > >Can you help?
> >
> > There is quite a diverse range of skills and knowledge represented on this
> > list, so I suggest that you will receive a number of comments and replies.
> > We are a mixed body of IT professionals, corporate as well as small
> > business, plus individuals and enthusiasts for OS/2.
> >
> > To List members:
> > 1. Please reply off the list initially, since this enquiry is likely to
> > include matters of commercial confidentiality. I have modified the
> > disclaimer clauses at the end of Charles' original email to protect
> > commercial privacy. Those who know the finance field and understand how
> > these things work would probably be able to read between the lines.
> > Meanwhile the rest of us won't have a clue, and that's fine.
> >
> > 2. Please allow Charles the courtesy of vetting your initial responses
> > within the framework of his project requirements and security parameters,
> > without getting your nose out of joint should he decline to entrust you
> > with too much internal data.
> >
> > 3. Given the corporate nature of the setup described, comments recommending
> > other mail/office suite software (eg: "what about Domino/Notes/Smartsuite")
> > will probably be a waste of bandwidth UNLESS there is no other way to
> > achieve Charles' required solution within the given parameters.
> >
> > Best regards
> > John Angelico
> > OS/2 SIG
> > Melbourne PC User Group Inc.
> > Melbourne VIC AUSTRALIA
> > talldad at kepl dot com dot au
> > ____________________________________________
> >
> > [Quote]
> > Disclaimer and confidentiality note
> >
> > Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relating to the official
> > business of
> > XXXXXXX Bank Group Limited is proprietary to the company. It is
> > confidential, legally
> > privileged and protected by law. XXXXXXX Bank does not own and endorse any
> > other content.
> > Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being
> > that of XXXXXXX Bank.
> >
> > The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please
> > notify the sender
> > immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose
> > or use the content
> > in any way.
> >
> > XXXXXXX Bank can not assure that the integrity of this communication has
> > been maintained nor
> > that it is free of errors, virus, interception or interference.
> > ______________________________________________
> >
> > [/quote]
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> > **= Email   2 ==========================**
> >
> > Date:  Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:34:01 +1100
> > From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
> > Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Need Info down-under in the good old South Africa.
> >
> > you haven't included Charles' e-mail address !!
> >
> > Ed.
> >
> > John Angelico wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:16:42 +0200, Ferreira, Charles C wrote:
> > >
> > > >Good day to you all!
> > >
> > > Hello from Australia Charles!
> > >
> > > Sorry about the delay in responding, but I have been out of email conotact
> > > for a week or so.
> > >
> > > I am replying as the SIG Convener, and copying your request to our mailing
> > > list.
> > >
> > > >Hi my name is Charles a Senior Business Analyst/Project Manager working
> > for
> > > >one of the biggest financial institutions in Africa. We run WSODII in our
> > > >branches, but Microsoft for our Office systems and mail within our HQ. Now
> > > >the question, does your group know of a RDP client I can use to provide
> > > >Microsoft Office & Mail via Netscape or just a RDP client. We do however
> > > >have large installations of CITRIX providing this functionality on OS2
> > RIPL
> > > >Clients running WSODII.
> > > >
> > > >The problem I do have is that CITRIX is quite expensive and I need to roll
> > > >MS Mail and Office to +- 600 branches countrywide, I need to find a
> > cheaper
> > > >solution. Also running a Proof Of Concept on Tarantella at present.
> > > >
> > > >Can you help?
> > >
> > > There is quite a diverse range of skills and knowledge represented on this
> > > list, so I suggest that you will receive a number of comments and replies.
> > > We are a mixed body of IT professionals, corporate as well as small
> > > business, plus individuals and enthusiasts for OS/2.
> > >
> > > To List members:
> > > 1. Please reply off the list initially, since this enquiry is likely to
> > > include matters of commercial confidentiality. I have modified the
> > > disclaimer clauses at the end of Charles' original email to protect
> > > commercial privacy. Those who know the finance field and understand how
> > > these things work would probably be able to read between the lines.
> > > Meanwhile the rest of us won't have a clue, and that's fine.
> > >
> > > 2. Please allow Charles the courtesy of vetting your initial responses
> > > within the framework of his project requirements and security parameters,
> > > without getting your nose out of joint should he decline to entrust you
> > > with too much internal data.
> > >
> > > 3. Given the corporate nature of the setup described, comments recommending
> > > other mail/office suite software (eg: "what about Domino/Notes/Smartsuite")
> > > will probably be a waste of bandwidth UNLESS there is no other way to
> > > achieve Charles' required solution within the given parameters.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > John Angelico
> > > OS/2 SIG
> > > Melbourne PC User Group Inc.
> > > Melbourne VIC AUSTRALIA
> > > talldad at kepl dot com dot au
> > > ____________________________________________
> > >
> > > [Quote]
> > > Disclaimer and confidentiality note
> > >
> > > Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relating to the official
> > > business of
> > > XXXXXXX Bank Group Limited is proprietary to the company. It is
> > > confidential, legally
> > > privileged and protected by law. XXXXXXX Bank does not own and endorse any
> > > other content.
> > > Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being
> > > that of XXXXXXX Bank.
> > >
> > > The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please
> > > notify the sender
> > > immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose
> > > or use the content
> > > in any way.
> >
> === message truncated ===
> 
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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 01 Nov 2002 22:10:56 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Inet banking, browsers, Java and OS/2

On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:03:03, Voytek Eymont wrote:

>with reference to the earlier threads;
>browsers, Inet banking, and life in general
>
>can someone explain this:
>
>with N4.61 Java 1.8 I can connect OK to St George, and, use it;
>BUT, I get the 'older' interface/feature set
>
>so, installed Mozilla 12b, and Java 1.31: I still get the 'older' i/f
>
>If I log on with IExploder on Doze, i get the up-to-date i/face.
>
>is it a IE specific plugin ? 
>
>I thought, the whole thing is driven from an applet ?
>
>so, IE gets a certain applet, non-IE, get a different applet ?
>
>enquiring minds need to know,
>

Not quite.  If you try it with Mozilla on a Windows machine, it
connects with the same Java as IE.  It seems to be checking the
browsers useragent for the OS to decide which applet to use.  I've
tried changing the useragent under OS/2, but, I only have an older Java
1.3.1, and, it crashes.  I think the latest Java may work, but, I can't
get this as I don't have SWC or eCS.  If you want to try, change the
useragent in the prefs.js, or get a copy of UABar, PrefBar or one of
the other Mozilla extensions that can do this on the fly.

I just tried Opera, which the agent as IE, and it gets the old
interface.
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David Forrester
davidfor at internode.on dot net
http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/

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