Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 466
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Wednesday 09 October 2002
 Number  466
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re: [os2genau] HP960C Printer : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
2  [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ? : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
3  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ? : David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>
4  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ? : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
5  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ? : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ? : brianb at kdfisher dot com dot au
8  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ? : David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>
9  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ? : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
10  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ? : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>

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Date:  Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:33:27 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] HP960C Printer

There are often questions on this list as to which printer works
under OS/2.

For anyone reading this, I can recommend the Epson 680 that Alan is
offering for sale. It is supported under OS/2 on both its parrallel
and USB connections and it is a 2880DPI colour printer. I am very
happy with mine.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Alan Duval wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Finally decided to buy a HP960C printer. Got a good buy at $212  (less than 1/2 price)  from Leading Solutions
> Pty. Ltd. at Doncaster. I was directed to them by Hewlett Packard after asking them where I could get one.
> They told me that Leading Solutions get their damaged new printers after they have been serviced and
> checked by Hewlett Packard. The warranty is for 3 months only compared to 12 months otherwise.
> Anyhow it works like a charm and is nice and quiet.
> If anyone wants a one year old Epson Stylus Color 680 give me an offer.
> 
> Alan Duval
> 

>  

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Date:  Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:54:30
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ?

what the cheapest/best ADSL deal in Sydney ?

speed and traffic not a priority, any speed faster than present 28.8 modem
is OK....

what hardware/router to get ? stay away from ?

any general gotchas ?

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:59:13 +1000 (EST)
From:  "David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ?

On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:54:30, Voytek Eymont wrote:

>what the cheapest/best ADSL deal in Sydney ?
>
>speed and traffic not a priority, any speed faster than present 28.8 modem
>is OK....

I use Internode, and, I am very happy with them.  Based on a the simple
gigabytes per dollar, they aren't the cheapest.  But, they are very
reliable and helpful.

Apart from them, have a look at http://www.broadbandchoice dot com dot au/. 
They have details of all the broadband ISPs.  And
http://www.whirlpool dot net dot au/ has news and lots of discussion about
broadband.  A lot of ISPs have representatives who answer questions, so
you can get some idea of the ISP.  That's one of the reasons I chose
Internode. 

>
>what hardware/router to get ? stay away from ?

I'm using a D-Link DSL-300  plugged into my gateway running OS/2 and
the InJoy Firewall beta.  Works beautifully and is extremely
configurable.  This sort of setup is good for someone who knows what
they are doing.  For others, I'd think either a DSL-500, or DSL-504
(basically the same as the 500, but, has a four port switch).  These
take complete control of the connection and will logon to the ISP, do
NAT and other basic firewall duties.  And mean you don't have to have a
computer running just for the connection.  There is a cheaper one
around (Billion or something like that), that has the same features as
the DSL-500, but, costs a lot less.

The only real thing to avoid are the internal and USB ADSL modems.

>
>any general gotchas ?
>

Make sure the ISP only counts traffic in one direction.  And that they
don't restrict what you use the connection for.  Some ISPs say you
can't run servers or can't connect LANs.  This is one of the reasons I
like Internode.  Their attitude is basically: "Your paying for it, you
can do anything you want so long as you don't do anything illegal, and
don't mess up our network.  And NO SPAM.".  Telstra's attitude seems to
: "Your paying for it, but, you can't use it".

--
David Forrester
davidfor at internode.on dot net
http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/

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Date:  Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:23:32
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ?

** Reply to note from "David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net> Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:59:13 +1000 (EST)

> I use Internode, and, I am very happy with them.  Based on a the simple 
> gigabytes per dollar, they aren't the cheapest.  But, they are very 
> reliable and helpful. 
>  
> Apart from them, have a look at http://www.broadbandchoice dot com dot au/.  
> They have details of all the broadband ISPs.  And 
> http://www.whirlpool dot net dot au/ has news and lots of discussion about 
> broadband.  A lot of ISPs have representatives who answer questions, so 
> you can get some idea of the ISP.  That's one of the reasons I chose 
> Internode.

thanks, David

today's paper has a TPG advert: ADSL from 20/month, + traffic  at 15C, after
1st 400MB, 10 GB free. that seems rather attractive...

thanks for all the info, I'll look at the hardware specs later today on
dlink site.

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:42:07 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ?

You should also be careful, how long you sign up for. The One-Tel
saga should highlight this and didn't TPG change hands because of
financial problems about 9-10 months ago ? Apologies if I got the
wrong company but I remember reading something in APC, I think.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> 
> ** Reply to note from "David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net> Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:59:13 +1000 (EST)
> 
> > I use Internode, and, I am very happy with them.  Based on a the simple
> > gigabytes per dollar, they aren't the cheapest.  But, they are very
> > reliable and helpful.
> >
> > Apart from them, have a look at http://www.broadbandchoice dot com dot au/.
> > They have details of all the broadband ISPs.  And
> > http://www.whirlpool dot net dot au/ has news and lots of discussion about
> > broadband.  A lot of ISPs have representatives who answer questions, so
> > you can get some idea of the ISP.  That's one of the reasons I chose
> > Internode.
> 
> thanks, David
> 
> today's paper has a TPG advert: ADSL from 20/month, + traffic  at 15C, after
> 1st 400MB, 10 GB free. that seems rather attractive...
> 
> thanks for all the info, I'll look at the hardware specs later today on
> dlink site.
> 
> Voytek Eymont
> SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
> http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
> phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118

>  

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Date:  Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:43:45 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ?

Also forgot to say Voytek, if you're able to get connected, Cable
(from Optus or Telstra) is usually cheaper than ADSL, but read the
fine print on any of these options !

Ed.

David Forrester wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:54:30, Voytek Eymont wrote:
> 
> >what the cheapest/best ADSL deal in Sydney ?
> >
> >speed and traffic not a priority, any speed faster than present 28.8 modem
> >is OK....
> 
> I use Internode, and, I am very happy with them.  Based on a the simple
> gigabytes per dollar, they aren't the cheapest.  But, they are very
> reliable and helpful.
> 
> Apart from them, have a look at http://www.broadbandchoice dot com dot au/.
> They have details of all the broadband ISPs.  And
> http://www.whirlpool dot net dot au/ has news and lots of discussion about
> broadband.  A lot of ISPs have representatives who answer questions, so
> you can get some idea of the ISP.  That's one of the reasons I chose
> Internode.
> 
> >
> >what hardware/router to get ? stay away from ?
> 
> I'm using a D-Link DSL-300  plugged into my gateway running OS/2 and
> the InJoy Firewall beta.  Works beautifully and is extremely
> configurable.  This sort of setup is good for someone who knows what
> they are doing.  For others, I'd think either a DSL-500, or DSL-504
> (basically the same as the 500, but, has a four port switch).  These
> take complete control of the connection and will logon to the ISP, do
> NAT and other basic firewall duties.  And mean you don't have to have a
> computer running just for the connection.  There is a cheaper one
> around (Billion or something like that), that has the same features as
> the DSL-500, but, costs a lot less.
> 
> The only real thing to avoid are the internal and USB ADSL modems.
> 
> >
> >any general gotchas ?
> >
> 
> Make sure the ISP only counts traffic in one direction.  And that they
> don't restrict what you use the connection for.  Some ISPs say you
> can't run servers or can't connect LANs.  This is one of the reasons I
> like Internode.  Their attitude is basically: "Your paying for it, you
> can do anything you want so long as you don't do anything illegal, and
> don't mess up our network.  And NO SPAM.".  Telstra's attitude seems to
> : "Your paying for it, but, you can't use it".
> 
> --
> David Forrester
> davidfor at internode.on dot net
> http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/
> 

>  

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Date:  Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:01:42 +1030
From:  brianb at kdfisher dot com dot au
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ?

Voytek,
Hi.
We are using InterNode in Sydney and are very
happy with the service.
They offer D-Link and Cisco hardware.
We use a D-Link unit and it works well, can't see a need for
the mega-dollar Cisco stuff.

Bye.
-----------------------------------------
Brian Butler
System Administrator
brianb at kdfisher dot com dot au

                                                                                                                         
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what the cheapest/best ADSL deal in Sydney ?

speed and traffic not a priority, any speed faster than present 28.8 modem
is OK....

what hardware/router to get ? stay away from ?

any general gotchas ?

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118
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Date:  Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:11:13 +1000 (EST)
From:  "David Forrester" <davidfor at internode.on dot net>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ?

On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:23:32, Voytek Eymont wrote:

>
>today's paper has a TPG advert: ADSL from 20/month, + traffic  at 15C, after
>1st 400MB, 10 GB free. that seems rather attractive...

Now that's a weird plan.  I read this and thought you must have made a
typo.  But, when I looked at their web-site, it was correct.  Then got
out the calculator (well calculator program).  $80 for 10GB at 256K
isn't  to  bad.  And it has a static IP address.  That's unusual.  But,
the only good thing I've ever heard about TPG, is that they are cheap. 

--
David Forrester
davidfor at internode.on dot net
http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/

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Date:  Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:05:49
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ?

** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:43:45 +1000

> Also forgot to say Voytek, if you're able to get connected, Cable 
> (from Optus or Telstra) is usually cheaper than ADSL, but read the 
> fine print on any of these options !

I do have Telstra cable right outside my front door.
hmm...

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:54:14 +0950 (CST)
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Oz ADSL, service ? hardware ?

Voytek,
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:54:30, Voytek Eymont wrote:

>what the cheapest/best ADSL deal in Sydney ?
I'm also using Internode ADSL but in Adelaide and am very happy with it - used to be 
on Telstra Cable...

When I first got Cable, it was much cheaper than ADSL, however, when I quit, the 3 
gig/month plan was $87/month vs my Internode 3gb plan at $80/month.

>what hardware/router to get ? stay away from ?
I'm using a D-Link DSL-504 router that has a built in 4 port 10/100 switch which is great.

>any general gotchas ?
Nah not really - all ADSL providers rely to some extent on the Telstra network, so can 
be subject to some of the same outages, but ADSL has been very stable for me over 
the last 4 months..

Regards,

Paul.

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