Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 431
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:01:03 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

**************************************************
Friday 23 August 2002
 Number  431
**************************************************

Subjects for today
 
1  Re: [os2genau] Most operating systems : spg at gil dot com dot au
2  Re: [os2genau] Most operating systems : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
3  Re: [os2genau] SW: More Fixes from Microsoft : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
4  Re: [os2genau] SW: More Fixes from Microsoft : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
5  Re: [os2genau] Most operating systems : nickl at arach dot net dot au
6  Re: [os2genau] Most operating systems : bob <bob at fots dot org dot au>
7  Re: [os2genau] Most operating systems : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
8  [os2genau] Domain company owes $900,000 : Ian Manners" <deadmail>
9  Re: [os2genau] ot:  Sticker design competition.] : Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
10  Re: [os2genau] ot:  Sticker design competition.] : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>

**= Email   1 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:34:50 +1000 (EST)
From:  spg at gil dot com dot au
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Most operating systems

.. . . and Credit Union Australia's Java interface to their Telebanker service 
was working well with OS2/NS 4.6 last time I tried back in November last year.

Peter Godbold

Quoting Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>:

> 
> fwiw, St George works with 4.6, BUT, you get an older interface, with
> less
> options
> 
> 
> 
> Voytek Eymont
> SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
> http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
> phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
>  

> 

-------------------------------------------------
This Email Is Sent From Global Info Links
http://www.gil dot com dot au
-------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   2 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:49:35 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Most operating systems

Java shits over ASP, but not many people offer Java hosting, ASP is a
dime-a-dozen.

Whilst it is slow to load initially, its more reliable, & operates much
smoother than ASP.

On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:34:50 +1000 (EST), spg at gil dot com dot au wrote:

>. . . and Credit Union Australia's Java interface to their Telebanker service 
>was working well with OS2/NS 4.6 last time I tried back in November last year.
>
>Peter Godbold
>
SNIP
>

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au
          Mob: 0425-251-300

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   3 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:24:36
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SW: More Fixes from Microsoft

** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:39:43 +1000

> This will hopefully clear up the issue of Win2K clients eating up 
> all workstation connections to a WSeB server. We will investigate this 
> further.

thanks, Ed, let us know.

do you know:

can SP3 be applied on a new install, or, SP2 first ?

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   4 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:32:57 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SW: More Fixes from Microsoft

SP3 is cumulative (ie it includes SP1 and SP2).

Ed.

Voytek Eymont wrote:

> ** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au> Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:39:43 +1000
>
> > This will hopefully clear up the issue of Win2K clients eating up
> > all workstation connections to a WSeB server. We will investigate this
> > further.
>
> thanks, Ed, let us know.
>
> do you know:
>
> can SP3 be applied on a new install, or, SP2 first ?
>
> Voytek Eymont
> SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
> http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
> phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118

>  

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   5 ==========================**

Date:  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:43:28 -0400
From:  nickl at arach dot net dot au
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Most operating systems

Hi

In <200208221209.000043PN at server1.os2site dot com>, on 08/22/02 
   at 10:02 AM, Kev Downes <kdownes at iinet dot net dot au> said:

>In <20020821200919-36968-8 at smedley.info>, on 08/21/2002 
>   at 08:09 PM, "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info> said:

>>FWIW - I can successfully use Commonwealth Bank Netbank and Westpac
>>Online  Banking in Mozilla, and Commonwealth Bank, Westpac and BankSA in
>>Netscape 4.61  - no complaints really!

>>Regards,

>>Paul.

>And also FWIW, I can successfully use Bendigo's online banking with
>NS4.61, IBM Webbrowser and Warpzilla.

After what happened to me, I switched to Woolworths Ezybanking, and I have
no problems with Netscape 4.61/Java 1.1.8, but do get a "broken pipe" from
time-to-time with  Mozilla (the latest) and Java 1.3.1.

I do have an account with you-know-who, and after getting a free card
holder, they told me "...to expect great things with other OS's on August
the 26th..."  Maybe they've been spying on us? :-)

Meanwhile, this is what afriend in Canada said:

-------------------

The odd thing is, that an organization that is supposed to look after
money, is stupid enough to fall for the expensive way to do business. From
what I understand, most of the banks, in North America (the US, and
Canada), use OS/2 for their online banking support. You would think that
their IT departments would know enough to support OS/2, and test things
with OS/2, but that is not always the case. I think the major problem is
that they think they are getting a superior service, if the contract
things, like web site creation, out to companies like Microsoft. That
works okay, for those who have been brainwashed into using a Microsoft OS,
but the rest of the people end up being left out in the cold.
 
-----------------------

What do you think?

Regards

NICK

>Cheers
>Kev
=========================
>Kev Downes <kdownes at iinet dot net dot au>
>Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!  
>We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
>"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
>and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
>nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================

> 

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
nickl at arach dot net dot au
-----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   6 ==========================**

Date:  23 Aug 2002 10:57:15 +0800
From:  bob <bob at fots dot org dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Most operating systems

This is starting to be intriguing :). There appears to be quite a large
list of banks that _do_ work well with non MS/IE tools. So which [1]
banks are we actually talking about?

Its sort of sounding like banks that aren't following open standards are
going to have their customers, at least the ones that have a clue, tell
them to stick their accounts! Mind you _I_ should talk. My mortgage
provider doesn't even do email let alone MS specific web pages, I
wouldn't be surprised if they had a back room full of people slaving
over hot abacuses grinding out statements :). 

Having said that though I can add that Bank West works fine with
anything that does ssl (128bit), apparently including ssl enabled lynx!
(haven't tried this). I believe they have pretensions to WAP.

[1] oh, yes... hahaha.
 
-- 
bob
Cave canem...te necet lingendo.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:55:31 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Most operating systems

Hi Bob

>This is starting to be intriguing :). There appears to be quite a large
>list of banks that _do_ work well with non MS/IE tools. So which [1]
>banks are we actually talking about?

12 to 24 months ago, most of these banks I think got sucked into
Microsoft centric solutions, since then, after letters from the ACCC
and Banking Ombudsman, and rational thinking it looks like every
thing has changed for the better. Banks want to reach the broadest
customer base, as lots of little disgruntled customers can add up
to a lot of money, and providing one solution is the cheap way
to do things.

I was pretty tipped to be asked to be on the NAB's pilot program
with there new software, as prior to that, I couldnt use net banking,
and there latest OnLine business banking would nolonger run
under Win-OS/2 so I was forced to setup a seperate PC for
OnLine Banking, as I dont like dual boot setups. 

>Its sort of sounding like banks that aren't following open standards are
>going to have their customers, at least the ones that have a clue, tell
>them to stick their accounts! Mind you _I_ should talk. My mortgage
>provider doesn't even do email let alone MS specific web pages, I
>wouldn't be surprised if they had a back room full of people slaving
>over hot abacuses grinding out statements :). 

At least you could feel safe that your personal info is resonably
safe :)

>Having said that though I can add that Bank West works fine with
>anything that does ssl (128bit), apparently including ssl enabled lynx!
>(haven't tried this). I believe they have pretensions to WAP.

Bankwest have always worked, they are very standards based,
and arent afraid of asking companys like IBM and NCR for strict
standards based solutions, I still have my BW accounts though
stopped using them as I'm now in Melbourne, I believe you can
now access accounts a lot easier via Post Offices for things like
deposits.

Cheers
Ian B Manners

"Our bombs are smarter than the average high school student. At least they can find Kuwait."
  --A. Whitney Brown
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   8 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:38:44 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Subject:  [os2genau] Domain company owes $900,000

http://australianit.news dot com dot au/articles/0,7204,4950077%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html

Voytek will apreciated this :)

Cheers
Ian B Manners

Windows98 and Tammy Bakker's makeup: Adding another layer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   9 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:45:36 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] ot:  Sticker design competition.]

Love to design some.  What did you have in mind?

Cheers
G

>
> For those with a little artistic talent and those with a lot of good
>ideas ......
>
>
> We're going to produce some stickers in praise of our favorite OS !!
>
>
>They could be standard size Bumper Stickers or smaller.
>
>
>There may be just one or even a series of them.
>
>
>Some people are good at artistic design using computers, some are good
>with mottos' let's combine the two to create a really memorable sticker
>design !!
>
>
>I have a few ideas on the Motto's side but before I bore you all to
>death, let's see what you all think !!
>
>S P E A K  U P  N O W  O R   F O R   E V E R   H O L D  Y O U R   P E A
>C E   !!
>
>
>
>
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.
>
>

> 

> 

>

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

**= Email   10 ==========================**

Date:  Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:27:17 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] ot:  Sticker design competition.]

I'd like to hope we could design and produce a few different ones. IMHO keep the motto
as short and to the point as possible. Motto's with double meaning always seem to get
more attention that a simple statement. Again IMHO colours should be bright and
positive and friendly. A bright colour gets the readers attention and the initial look
is important.  we could try one with colours that simply don't go together, to get the
"what the !" reaction.

This is an open forum - what do others think ??

Ed.

Gavin Miller wrote:

> Love to design some.  What did you have in mind?
>
> Cheers
> G
>
> >
> > For those with a little artistic talent and those with a lot of good
> >ideas ......
> >
> >
> > We're going to produce some stickers in praise of our favorite OS !!
> >
> >
> >They could be standard size Bumper Stickers or smaller.
> >
> >
> >There may be just one or even a series of them.
> >
> >
> >Some people are good at artistic design using computers, some are good
> >with mottos' let's combine the two to create a really memorable sticker
> >design !!
> >
> >
> >I have a few ideas on the Motto's side but before I bore you all to
> >death, let's see what you all think !!
> >
> >S P E A K  U P  N O W  O R   F O R   E V E R   H O L D  Y O U R   P E A
> >C E   !!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Cheers/2
> >
> >Ed.
> >
> >

> > 

> > 

> >
>

>  

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------