Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 407
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest"<deadmail>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:01:08 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Monday 29 July 2002
 Number  407
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Subjects for today
 
1  [os2genau] ASUS A7VL133 mobo with eCS 1.0 & Convenience Pack 2 : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
2  Re: [os2genau] Windows 2000 Vs Warp : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
3  [os2genau] ot: win-me, 2k on Optus cable : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
4  Re: [os2genau] ot: win-me, 2k on Optus cable : Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
5  Re: [os2genau] ot: win-me, 2k on Optus cable : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
6  Re: [os2genau] ot: win-me, 2k on Optus cable : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
7  Re: [os2genau] ot: win-me, 2k on Optus cable : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
8  Re: [os2genau] ot: win-me, 2k on Optus cable : Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
9  Re: [os2genau] ot: win-me, 2k on Optus cable : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
10  Re: [os2genau] Windows 2000 Vs Warp : Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
11  [os2genau] OT: WinXP pro : Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
12  Re: [os2genau] OT: WinXP pro : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
13  Re: [os2genau] Windows 2000 Vs Warp : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>

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Date:  Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:57:42 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  [os2genau] ASUS A7VL133 mobo with eCS 1.0 & Convenience Pack 2

Hi All,
Ed & I had a play with an ASUS a7vl133 mobo on the weekend.
It has a VIA VT82C686B Southbridge chipset.

Very entry-level mATX AMD SDRAM mobo.

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Off-the-CD experience is very slow to long format HDD.
Further problem determination identified current Danis HDD drivers fix
this problem.

My question is how do you update the boot diskettes to use updated
drivers?
I made the floppies but the install didn't end-up having the updated
drivers.
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Another problem I had is installing eCS 1.0 on a SCSI boot/IDE data
configuration.
If IDE was enabled during install, SCSI not seen.

Once installed, enabled IDE & formatted JFS.
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Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
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<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au
          Mob: 0425-251-300

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Date:  Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:24:05 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Windows 2000 Vs Warp

Had to create a DOS environment under W2k Sunday.
Setting looked exactly like those available for OS/2...

Whilst W2k needs much more CPU than eCS, it looks like M$ have finally
got it right.
OEM cost is <$300, so its not too expensive. Very stable, doesn't
crash.

Got it running with Celery 433MHz, 128MB RAM, 8MB on-board AGP video,
Advansys SCSI controller & crappy SiS chipset PC-Chips mobo.

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au
          Mob: 0425-251-300

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Date:  Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:24:42
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] ot: win-me, 2k on Optus cable

what does it take to set up a w2k or me on an optus cable ?

presumedly, Optus supplies some sort of of installer ?

do I need it ? can it be dwonloaded ?

I need to set one up, the user says she never got any disks....

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:10:41 -0400 (EDT)
From:  "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] ot: win-me, 2k on Optus cable

Voytek,
As I understand it, no installer is required.  Machine name on Windows has the be set to 
what Optus tell you, then just setup the NIC interface as DHCP and it does the rest.  If the 
machine name isn't valid, then Optus cable won't provide an IP address..

Hope this helps,

Paul.

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:24:42, Voytek Eymont wrote:

>what does it take to set up a w2k or me on an optus cable ?
>
>presumedly, Optus supplies some sort of of installer ?
>
>do I need it ? can it be dwonloaded ?
>
>I need to set one up, the user says she never got any disks....
>
>
>
>Voytek Eymont
>SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
>http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
>phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

> 

>

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Date:  Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:13:26 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] ot: win-me, 2k on Optus cable

Hi,

Not only that, but when you do get a good connection with OptusNet cable,
you can then change your machine name to anything you like.

The cable modem retains enough info and has smarts enough to ensure a 
proper connection.  The first connection is therefore the most critical.
And you do not have to leave the modem on all the time, even when the computer
is turned off, contrary with the advice that Optus give you.

I turn my computer and modem off all the time. Never have a problem.
Also now using a D-link 804 firewall/router and can have upto 4 computers hooked 
up to OptusNet cable at the same time.  (only tried 2 at a time so far).
I just don't tell them what I am doing, they don't like routers or hubs on a 
domestic service.  They just will not give you any phone help if they
are aware that you are running a router.

By the way Voytek, you were going to send me Neon Grafix Lite software
from last end April.  How is it coming mate.?

Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT)
   29 July 2002

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:10:41 -0400 (EDT), Paul Smedley wrote:

> Voytek,
> As I understand it, no installer is required.  Machine name on Windows has the be set to 
> what Optus tell you, then just setup the NIC interface as DHCP and it does the rest.  If the 
> machine name isn't valid, then Optus cable won't provide an IP address..
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Paul.
> 
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:24:42, Voytek Eymont wrote:
> 
> >what does it take to set up a w2k or me on an optus cable ?
> >
> >presumedly, Optus supplies some sort of of installer ?
> >
> >do I need it ? can it be dwonloaded ?
> >
> >I need to set one up, the user says she never got any disks....
> >
> >
> >
> >Voytek Eymont
> >SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
> >http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
> >phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

> > 

> >
> 
> 

>  

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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Date:  Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:25:11
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] ot: win-me, 2k on Optus cable

** Reply to note from "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au> Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:13:26 +1000

> By the way Voytek, you were going to send me Neon Grafix Lite software 
> from last end April.  How is it coming mate.?

yes, i was
and, had you replied to the email (that bounced back), I'd have done
that.....
I figured if email bounces, I'll wait till I hear back...

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:29:42 +1000
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] ot: win-me, 2k on Optus cable

Voytek.

Continuing by private email. Thanks.
Robert Traynor (BobT)
   29 July 2002

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:25:11, Voytek Eymont wrote:

> ** Reply to note from "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au> Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:13:26 +1000
> 
> 
> > By the way Voytek, you were going to send me Neon Grafix Lite software 
> > from last end April.  How is it coming mate.?
> 
> yes, i was
> and, had you replied to the email (that bounced back), I'd have done
> that.....
> I figured if email bounces, I'll wait till I hear back...
> 
> Voytek Eymont
> SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
> http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
> phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

>  

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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Date:  Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:28:55
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytek at sbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] ot: win-me, 2k on Optus cable

** Reply to note from "Paul Smedley" <paul at smedley.info> Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:10:41 -0400 (EDT)

> As I understand it, no installer is required.  Machine name on Windows has the 
> be set to  
> what Optus tell you, then just setup the NIC interface as DHCP and it does the 
> rest.  If the  
> machine name isn't valid, then Optus cable won't provide an IP address.. 
>    
> Hope this helps,

yes, it does, thanks, I never dealt with it, hence, it will bring me up to
speed.

[meanwhile, I found what's wrong with the machine: w32klez.
initial scan with NAV2002 did not detect aything, but, after I moved the HD
to another PC, with updated NAV, it came up. oh, the joys of ms computing]

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:41:46 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] ot: win-me, 2k on Optus cable

I have Telstra rather than Optus cable, but I had heard that NO special software is
needed for attaching to Optus cable. Once the cable modem is installed just set up the
clients to use it as their default gateway.  Not sure how login occurs, perhaps its
hardcoded in the modem ?

Ed.

Voytek Eymont wrote:

> what does it take to set up a w2k or me on an optus cable ?
>
> presumedly, Optus supplies some sort of of installer ?
>
> do I need it ? can it be dwonloaded ?
>
> I need to set one up, the user says she never got any disks....
>
> Voytek Eymont
> SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
> http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
> phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118

>  

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Date:  Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:47:09 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Windows 2000 Vs Warp

W2k Dos mode is not "True DOS" and has some compatability problems - read the MS Doco.

Daryl what's happenning to you - sounds like your turning into a Microsoft fan !

By the way, I had to laugh at the comment that W2k doesn't hang !  Try telling my
colleague that who today spent the whole day trying to get his Laptop stable enough to
use !  (AD problems).

Cheers/2 (not2k)
Ed.

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Had to create a DOS environment under W2k Sunday.
> Setting looked exactly like those available for OS/2...
>
> Whilst W2k needs much more CPU than eCS, it looks like M$ have finally
> got it right.
> OEM cost is <$300, so its not too expensive. Very stable, doesn't
> crash.
>
> Got it running with Celery 433MHz, 128MB RAM, 8MB on-board AGP video,
> Advansys SCSI controller & crappy SiS chipset PC-Chips mobo.
>
> Regards,
>
> Daryl  Pilkington
>
> //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
>
>         email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au
>           Mob: 0425-251-300
>

>  

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Date:  Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:08:30 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextreme at impulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] OT: WinXP pro

Hi All,

A mate of mine is real Windows fan.  He's always trying to get me to use WinXp pro.  
I've finally had a bit of a play with it, but have not really got into the nitty gritty of it.  To me 
it seems just like W2K with a pretty face.  Anybody had a real good play with it?

PS.  This would be the same mate of mine that raved about 95, then raved about 98SE 
and said 95 was crap.  Then raved about 2000 saying 98 was crap.  See a pattern ;-)

Cheers
G

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Date:  Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:14:38 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] OT: WinXP pro

XP is a pretty version of W2k that uses more CPU cycles than W2k for no
real benefit.

The office folks use it at work & its slow.

Downstairs, all the techs are using W2k :) they know better.

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:08:30 +1100 (EDT), Gavin Miller wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>A mate of mine is real Windows fan.  He's always trying to get me to use WinXp pro.  
>I've finally had a bit of a play with it, but have not really got into the nitty gritty of it.  To me 
>it seems just like W2K with a pretty face.  Anybody had a real good play with it?
>

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au
          Mob: 0425-251-300

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Date:  Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:37:49 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232 at home.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Windows 2000 Vs Warp

Hi Ed,

Can't say I'm a big M$ fan, but my experiences with W2k have been much
less painful than OS/2 or eCS. It installs, apps are loaded, it works.

Well one has to be objective & sadly OS/2 is becoming less & less
relevant for what I want to do. When was the last OS/2 job advertised?

OS/2 DOS mode has compatability problems too.
Come to think of it, so does WIN-OS/2, I've got a Win3.1 program I need
to use that works great under W2k but the video is lousy in WIN-OS/2.

Hardware compatability problems plague every OS, I can mention plenty
for OS/2, Linux, W2k.

Jing's W2k box works great, & the few others I've built work well too.
My work workstation works well too.

I need apps like:
Chinese character set,
(If I'm a martyr, I could waste an afternoon trying to get this working
on eCS)
Video conferencing
USB Camera support
MS Office,
(training, personally I'm quite happy with Lotus SS)
MYOB,
(training)
IE,
(some sites simply aren't coded for anything else)
....
....

All the above are not areas OS/2 or eCS excel in.
PMMail doesn't support Chinese Korean or Japanese character sets & I
doubt it ever will.

Sure, OS/2 makes a good back-end still & my laptop still runs it, but I
can't run the above applications or functions.

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:47:09 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>W2k Dos mode is not "True DOS" and has some compatability problems - read the MS Doco.
>
>Daryl what's happenning to you - sounds like your turning into a Microsoft fan !
>
>By the way, I had to laugh at the comment that W2k doesn't hang !  Try telling my
>colleague that who today spent the whole day trying to get his Laptop stable enough to
>use !  (AD problems).
>
>Cheers/2 (not2k)
>Ed.
>

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au
          Mob: 0425-251-300

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