Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 357
From: Digest <deadmail>
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Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 00:00:09 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Wednesday 29 May 2002
 Number  357
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Subjects for today
 
1  [os2genau] Java? : Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
2  [os2genau] FP install troubles : Glenn & Joyce Montgomery <ianatos2site dot com>
3  Re: [os2genau] FP install troubles : Michael Block <mblockatoptushome dot com dot au>
4  Re: [os2genau] FP install troubles : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
5  [os2genau] [Fwd: Quote] : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re: [os2genau] FP install troubles : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: Quote] : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
8  [os2genau] [Fwd: Quote] : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>

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Date:  Wed, 29 May 2002 08:56:40 +1000
From:  Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] Java?

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Date:  Wed, 29 May 2002 13:58:46 +1000
From:  Glenn & Joyce Montgomery <ianatos2site dot com>
Subject:  [os2genau] FP install troubles

From: Glenn & Joyce Montgomery <glennatmontysplace dot net>

Hi Guys,

Thanks Ed for your reply.Unfortunately, the config.sys has neither of the 
lines you mentioned . Also I can't get to Alt-F1 at the white OS/2 box as 
the machine reboots before there is time to.
Any help would be appreciated.

Ciao for now
Glenn Montgomery

Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 20:16:26 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] I lose Warp after installing FP15
During either install or FP application, Warp sometimes adds the line
PAUSEONERROR=NO (or asomething like this) to Config.sys. It could also have
added REIPL=YES, the combination of these two could be causing the problem.
Restart the ststem and when you see the []OS/2 at the top left of the screen
press alt+F1 - this will take you into the recovery screen. There is an
option F2 I think to take you to the command line. Select this and when you
get to the command prompt type TEDIT CONFIG.SYS when this character editor
loads, press the escape kwy to be taken into the data portion of the screen
a,d go down with the arrow keys until you find either the PAUSEONERROR
and/or REIPL line(s) and add REM and a space at the beginning of them. Press
F4 to file the amended file and when back at the command prompt once more,
press ctrl+Alt+Del to restart the system. Hopefully this time the system
will stop so that you can see the problem. If it appears to be a video
problem, going back via alt+F1 to the recovery screen and selecting F3 (I
think-check before you press it), should reload the standard VGA drivers and
the system should boot. If this is the case, throw away the video card
driverrs that you are using and find some that work. You may wish to try to
use the Scitech Display Doctor drivers which cover a lot of the more common,
and some not so common video chip sets.
Good Luck
Cheers/2
Ed.

Glenn & Joyce Montgomery wrote:
 >
 > From: Glenn & Joyce Montgomery <glennatmontysplace dot net>
 > Hello there,
 >
 > I am coming to you guys with a bit of a problem. I have just upgraded my
 > hard disk to a 40G. My layout is as follows:
 >
 > WIN2000 4G
 > WARP4 2G
 > Boot Manager
 > Logical Drives (NTFS, FAT32 & HPFS)
 >
 > Everything runs fine with the base Warp installed (fresh from the original
 > CD) and using Daniela's DaniS506 driver for the large sized disk.
 >
 > My problem happens when I would like to install a fixpack onto warp so I
 > could do the basic things - like greater than 640X480 res etc. But as soon
 > as I have installed the fixpack (I have tried both FP15 and FP12 on this
 > new disk, I have used FP12 before on a smaller disk 13G successfully), once
 > it has rebooted to process the locked drivers, it displays a message
 > (something to do with a line in config.sys) which is too quick for me to
 > read, then reboots. When I try to boot to Warp, it gets to the white OS/2
 > box at top left only for an instant, then reboots again. I don't even have
 > time to get to ALT-F1.
 >
 > Any help would be greater than great.
 >
 > Many Thanks
 > Glenn Montgomery
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Date:  Wed, 29 May 2002 19:17:18 +1000
From:  Michael Block <mblockatoptushome dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] FP install troubles

On 29/5/2002 1:58 PM, "Glenn & Joyce Montgomery" <ianatos2site dot com> wrote:

> From: Glenn & Joyce Montgomery <glennatmontysplace dot net>
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Thanks Ed for your reply.Unfortunately, the config.sys has neither of the
> lines you mentioned . Also I can't get to Alt-F1 at the white OS/2 box as
> the machine reboots before there is time to.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Ciao for now
> Glenn Montgomery
> 
>
Boot from a floppy to a command line and you can enter those lines in the
config.sys file on your C: drive
-- 
Regards

Michael Block
----------------> caca et declina medicus
http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html

The www home of perinatal psychiatry

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Date:  Wed, 29 May 2002 20:24:58 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] FP install troubles

If it's rebooting that quickly, you could perhaps temporarily turn off all
cache settings in BIOS (which will slow the system down considerably) and
then you might be able to get in.

Alternatively, use OS/2 boot diskettes and then execute the setvga command
from  \OS2 on the harddrive.

I really suspect the video driver, but if the problem happens so early on,
it could also be a real hardware problem. You could also try reseting CMOS
settings to their default basic settings - there's often two options reset
to safest settings and reset to optimum settings - take the safest option.

I presume by the way, that you are NOT overclocking the processor, using
under spec or mixed type of RAM memory or anything else like that.

If all of the above doesn't help, I'd suggest you run the system diagnostics
diskette, which should have come with the system. If not their are general
purpose third party ones you can get.

Even if the system runs under Windows and only has a problem when booting
OS/2 this doesn't rule out a hardware problem. OS/2 is more chosey and gets
more out of the hardware than Windoze.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Glenn & Joyce Montgomery wrote:
> 
> From: Glenn & Joyce Montgomery <glennatmontysplace dot net>
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Thanks Ed for your reply.Unfortunately, the config.sys has neither of the
> lines you mentioned . Also I can't get to Alt-F1 at the white OS/2 box as
> the machine reboots before there is time to.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Ciao for now
> Glenn Montgomery
> 
> Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 20:16:26 +1000
> From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
> Subject: Re: [os2genau] I lose Warp after installing FP15
> During either install or FP application, Warp sometimes adds the line
> PAUSEONERROR=NO (or asomething like this) to Config.sys. It could also have
> added REIPL=YES, the combination of these two could be causing the problem.
> Restart the ststem and when you see the []OS/2 at the top left of the screen
> press alt+F1 - this will take you into the recovery screen. There is an
> option F2 I think to take you to the command line. Select this and when you
> get to the command prompt type TEDIT CONFIG.SYS when this character editor
> loads, press the escape kwy to be taken into the data portion of the screen
> a,d go down with the arrow keys until you find either the PAUSEONERROR
> and/or REIPL line(s) and add REM and a space at the beginning of them. Press
> F4 to file the amended file and when back at the command prompt once more,
> press ctrl+Alt+Del to restart the system. Hopefully this time the system
> will stop so that you can see the problem. If it appears to be a video
> problem, going back via alt+F1 to the recovery screen and selecting F3 (I
> think-check before you press it), should reload the standard VGA drivers and
> the system should boot. If this is the case, throw away the video card
> driverrs that you are using and find some that work. You may wish to try to
> use the Scitech Display Doctor drivers which cover a lot of the more common,
> and some not so common video chip sets.
> Good Luck
> Cheers/2
> Ed.
> 
> Glenn & Joyce Montgomery wrote:
>  >
>  > From: Glenn & Joyce Montgomery <glennatmontysplace dot net>
>  > Hello there,
>  >
>  > I am coming to you guys with a bit of a problem. I have just upgraded my
>  > hard disk to a 40G. My layout is as follows:
>  >
>  > WIN2000 4G
>  > WARP4 2G
>  > Boot Manager
>  > Logical Drives (NTFS, FAT32 & HPFS)
>  >
>  > Everything runs fine with the base Warp installed (fresh from the original
>  > CD) and using Daniela's DaniS506 driver for the large sized disk.
>  >
>  > My problem happens when I would like to install a fixpack onto warp so I
>  > could do the basic things - like greater than 640X480 res etc. But as soon
>  > as I have installed the fixpack (I have tried both FP15 and FP12 on this
>  > new disk, I have used FP12 before on a smaller disk 13G successfully), once
>  > it has rebooted to process the locked drivers, it displays a message
>  > (something to do with a line in config.sys) which is too quick for me to
>  > read, then reboots. When I try to boot to Warp, it gets to the white OS/2
>  > box at top left only for an instant, then reboots again. I don't even have
>  > time to get to ALT-F1.
>  >
>  > Any help would be greater than great.
>  >
>  > Many Thanks
>  > Glenn Montgomery

>  

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Date:  Wed, 29 May 2002 20:26:16 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] [Fwd: Quote]

I make no comment on the following - I leave you all to do that. I also
cannot vouch for the validity of what is being said however I have no reason
to believe it to be untrue.
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Date:  Wed, 29 May 2002 20:44:54 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] FP install troubles

Going back and reading the original note again

Thinking back there also used to be a problem with the locked file driver,
where the line in the config.sys file, said the executable was somewhere
else than it actually was. If I remember correctly, I used to have to copy
the two files (ibmlanlk.exe and ibmlanlk.sys) from \MMOS2\INSTALL to
\OS2\INSTALL, reboot and all was OK - the locked files got processed and all
followed on as it should. - This could also be your problem.

Another option is that the FP install failed part of the way through and the
locked file driver's LST command file is corrupt, hence causing the problem.
If you can get to the C: drive via the boot diskettes of the Alt+F1 command
prompt, you can check the config.sys and rem out the locked file driver line
(I think its called IBMLANLK.SYS or something, at the same time noting where
it's command file is supposed to be (probably the root directory). Go and
delete the command LST (I think) file.

Good luck again,

Ed.

Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> If it's rebooting that quickly, you could perhaps temporarily turn off all
> cache settings in BIOS (which will slow the system down considerably) and
> then you might be able to get in.
> 
> Alternatively, use OS/2 boot diskettes and then execute the setvga command
> from  \OS2 on the harddrive.
> 
> I really suspect the video driver, but if the problem happens so early on,
> it could also be a real hardware problem. You could also try reseting CMOS
> settings to their default basic settings - there's often two options reset
> to safest settings and reset to optimum settings - take the safest option.
> 
> I presume by the way, that you are NOT overclocking the processor, using
> under spec or mixed type of RAM memory or anything else like that.
> 
> If all of the above doesn't help, I'd suggest you run the system diagnostics
> diskette, which should have come with the system. If not their are general
> purpose third party ones you can get.
> 
> Even if the system runs under Windows and only has a problem when booting
> OS/2 this doesn't rule out a hardware problem. OS/2 is more chosey and gets
> more out of the hardware than Windoze.
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed.
> 
> Glenn & Joyce Montgomery wrote:
> >
> > From: Glenn & Joyce Montgomery <glennatmontysplace dot net>
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Thanks Ed for your reply.Unfortunately, the config.sys has neither of the
> > lines you mentioned . Also I can't get to Alt-F1 at the white OS/2 box as
> > the machine reboots before there is time to.
> > Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > Ciao for now
> > Glenn Montgomery
> >
> > Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 20:16:26 +1000
> > From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
> > Subject: Re: [os2genau] I lose Warp after installing FP15
> > During either install or FP application, Warp sometimes adds the line
> > PAUSEONERROR=NO (or asomething like this) to Config.sys. It could also have
> > added REIPL=YES, the combination of these two could be causing the problem.
> > Restart the ststem and when you see the []OS/2 at the top left of the screen
> > press alt+F1 - this will take you into the recovery screen. There is an
> > option F2 I think to take you to the command line. Select this and when you
> > get to the command prompt type TEDIT CONFIG.SYS when this character editor
> > loads, press the escape kwy to be taken into the data portion of the screen
> > a,d go down with the arrow keys until you find either the PAUSEONERROR
> > and/or REIPL line(s) and add REM and a space at the beginning of them. Press
> > F4 to file the amended file and when back at the command prompt once more,
> > press ctrl+Alt+Del to restart the system. Hopefully this time the system
> > will stop so that you can see the problem. If it appears to be a video
> > problem, going back via alt+F1 to the recovery screen and selecting F3 (I
> > think-check before you press it), should reload the standard VGA drivers and
> > the system should boot. If this is the case, throw away the video card
> > driverrs that you are using and find some that work. You may wish to try to
> > use the Scitech Display Doctor drivers which cover a lot of the more common,
> > and some not so common video chip sets.
> > Good Luck
> > Cheers/2
> > Ed.
> >
> > Glenn & Joyce Montgomery wrote:
> >  >
> >  > From: Glenn & Joyce Montgomery <glennatmontysplace dot net>
> >  > Hello there,
> >  >
> >  > I am coming to you guys with a bit of a problem. I have just upgraded my
> >  > hard disk to a 40G. My layout is as follows:
> >  >
> >  > WIN2000 4G
> >  > WARP4 2G
> >  > Boot Manager
> >  > Logical Drives (NTFS, FAT32 & HPFS)
> >  >
> >  > Everything runs fine with the base Warp installed (fresh from the original
> >  > CD) and using Daniela's DaniS506 driver for the large sized disk.
> >  >
> >  > My problem happens when I would like to install a fixpack onto warp so I
> >  > could do the basic things - like greater than 640X480 res etc. But as soon
> >  > as I have installed the fixpack (I have tried both FP15 and FP12 on this
> >  > new disk, I have used FP12 before on a smaller disk 13G successfully), once
> >  > it has rebooted to process the locked drivers, it displays a message
> >  > (something to do with a line in config.sys) which is too quick for me to
> >  > read, then reboots. When I try to boot to Warp, it gets to the white OS/2
> >  > box at top left only for an instant, then reboots again. I don't even have
> >  > time to get to ALT-F1.
> >  >
> >  > Any help would be greater than great.
> >  >
> >  > Many Thanks
> >  > Glenn Montgomery
> 
> >  
> 

>  

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Date:  Wed, 29 May 2002 20:47:53 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: Quote]

OK Guys ! Found my error - by default, send forwarded messages as attachment
set in edit/preferences !

I'll send again - sorry !

Ed.

Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> I make no comment on the following - I leave you all to do that. I also
> cannot vouch for the validity of what is being said however I have no reason
> to believe it to be untrue.
> [attachments have been removed]

>  

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Date:  Wed, 29 May 2002 20:49:58 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] [Fwd: Quote]

 I make no comment on the following - I leave you all to do that. I also
 cannot vouch for the validity of what is being said however I have no
reason
 to believe it to be untrue.

 The bully is a coward

 Date: MAY 06, 2002
 Author: NICHOLAS PETRELEY

I was very short for my age until the 10th grade, when my growth hormones
finally kicked in and I sprouted to average height. Being short through most
of my childhood made me a prime target for bullies. People tried to console
me with useless slogans like "good things come in small packages," but the
least helpful thing they ever said was that bullies are the real cowards.
That may be true, but it's not a concept you can easily digest when you're
getting your butt kicked.

It makes perfect sense now, however, and can be illustrated by Microsoft's
latest assault on some of its most vulnerable customers: school systems.
Microsoft told the 24 largest school districts in Oregon and neighboring
Washington to perform an audit and cough up licenses for all the Microsoft
software installed on their PCs and Macintosh computers. The schools have no
choice but to comply. If these school systems want to avoid the cost of an
audit or the consequences that would follow if they can't locate licenses
for every bit of Microsoft software, the company has an alternative deal.
They can count up all their computers regardless of platform and agree to
pay Microsoft $42 per machine every year from now on. As Steve Duin reported
in The Oregonian, this amounts to a $500,000 annual bill for the Portland
public school system, roughly the equivalent of 10 teaching positions.

Microsoft is picking on these school systems for a number of reasons. First
and foremost, schools are the easiest targets. Microsoft knows it's
virtually impossible for these schools to produce the licenses for every
installed product. They don't have the resources to track all these software
licenses and, until now, they didn't even have the incentive. To make
matters worse, schools are poorly funded, so they accept donated computers
from just about anyone. Few schools, if any, even attempt to account for the
software that comes with the donated computers. Students and teachers
routinely install software on these computers without considering the
licensing issues. That doesn't make it right, but it's yet another reason
schools are easy targets. Finally, assuming there's a school system out
there that has all of its ducks in a row, Microsoft chose the worst time of
year to demand an audit.

Microsoft is picking on some of these school systems because they're
evaluating the possibility of abandoning Microsoft software for Linux and
open-source software. If Microsoft can intimidate them into signing a yearly
subscription agreement before they get a chance to experiment with Linux,
Microsoft will have them locked into Windows before Linux gets a fair shake.

Microsoft is picking on these school systems because the consequences of
failure are small. These schools could dump all their Microsoft software for
Linux and open-source applications. Better to sacrifice one teaching
position to hire a Linux guru than sacrifice 10 for a yearly Microsoft fee.
But what has the company lost? If Microsoft had simply left these schools
alone, they wouldn't have sent much money to Redmond for the next few years
anyway.

Microsoft is picking on these schools because it's afraid of you. The
company is greedy, but it can hardly expect to reverse its decline in
revenue by solving software piracy in schools. Even if Microsoft wins a
yearly contract from every school it attacks, it barely adds up to petty
cash. Your company is the ultimate target. But you have real lawyers and
real purchasing power to use as leverage. Microsoft won't go up against you
until it has honed its audit strategy so that when your time comes, you'll
simply give in and go along with it. These schools are test cases to refine
that strategy.

But most of all, Microsoft is using audits as an intimidation tactic because
it can no longer figure out how to produce compelling upgrades to its
software. With nothing new of value to offer, Microsoft has to find a way to
make you pay every year for the software you already own. That's going to be
a tough sell, since the free alternatives like Linux, KDE, Gnome,
OpenOffice, Evolution, Mozilla, Apache and countless similar packages are
plenty good enough. Microsoft knows that, even if you don't.
So this bully is indeed a coward. But, ultimately, not without good reason.

Nicholas Petreley is a computer consultant and author in Hayward, Calif. He
can be reached at nicholasatpetreley dot com

Regards,

Ed Durrant
IBM GSA Project Services
0402 891 809

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