Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 353
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" <deadmail>
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 00:00:08 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Friday 24 May 2002
 Number  353
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re: [os2genau] Home networking : Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
2  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS???? : Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
3  [os2genau] [Fwd: [khw] Some Light Relief For a Friday Morning] : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
4  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS???? : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
5  Re: [os2genau] Home networking : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [khw] Some Light Relief For a Friday Morning] : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [khw] Some Light Relief For a Friday Morning] : Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
8  [os2genau] Some light releif : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
9  Re: [os2genau] [os] Win98 & HPFS???? : Gavin Miller" <drumextremeatimpulse dot net dot au>
10  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [khw] Some Light Relief For a Friday Morning] : Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>

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Date:  Fri, 24 May 2002 13:16:27 +0900
From:  Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Home networking

Hi Steve

Thanx for your time.  Don'y give up - we might get somewhere here.

In <02052321364700.00679atwainui>, on 05/23/2002 
   at 09:36 PM, steve <steveatedmondsfamily.co.nz> said:

>It seems the steps left to complete can be listed as;
>0. Verify windows installations and record data required to set the ECS
>box

OK, can do that.

>	in the same network.
>1. Install and verify networking on ECS machine.
Now we hit the wall.  I can install the eCS network software OK, but how
do I verify it?  It's *during* the install that I'm asked all the
questions I don't understand - in the various network settings notebooks.

>2. Share a printer to everyone.
>3. Share the hard drive on the ECS machine to everyone.
I've no idea how to share anything in OS/2

>Following is my recommendation.

>0. As this is a small network I would asign IP adresses manually. As I
>don't like typing alot of numbers I use addresses starting at 10.2.1.1.

I use 192.168.0.1 etc in Windoze. Is that OK?

The rest of what follows I think I can do OK, but will have to try later. 
A good start would be to get those 2 problems above sorted.

>In windows>settings>control panel>networking, 
>configuration tab
>	you should see tcp/ip-> and netbeui-> against your network adapter.
>identification tab
>	computer name - each computer has its own name,
>	workgroup - every computer has the same. Workgroup or ournet, etc.

>Back to configuration tab, click on tcp/ip -> your network adapter,
>click on  properties.
>Click on specify IP address.
>IP address tab
>	Enter & write down the ip address, every machine differs, say 10.2.1.1
>	Enter if needed subnet mask, 255.255.255.0
>WINS configuration tab
>	disable wins.
>Netbios tab
>	netbios over tcp/ip should be ticked.
>Bindings tab
>	All ticked
>DNS tab
>	I enter a host name the same as the identification tab computer name.
>		This is your tcp/ip name.
>	I enter a domain name such as home dot net, this is the IP name I give to 
>		the home network.
>	I enable DNS and enter my DNS IP addresses as given by my ISP
>		in the DNS server search order.
>Gateway tab
>	Enter the ip address of the computer (or adsl router) that is your 
>	connection point to the internet and performing true tcp/ip internet
>sharing
>	(this is often called masqurading or IP forwarding).

>Back to configuration tab, click on netbeui -> your network adapter,
>click on  properties.

>Bindings tab
>	All ticked.

>At the end of this nothing has really changed, we have all settings for 
>netbuei, tcp/ip and netbuei over tcp/ip confirmed and visible and a
>table;

>whosPC		Computer name		IP address
>bob		kids1			10.2.1.2
>jill		mum			10.2.1.3

>You need to reboot win pc's after any changes. At a
>start>programs>ms-dos  prompt you should be able to type >ping 10.2.1.3
>(an IP of another machine)  and should get something like the following
>to verify all machines tcp/ip  talks.
>> ping 10.2.1.1
>PING 10.2.1.1 (10.2.1.1) from 10.2.1.2 : 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes
>from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=126 usec
>64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=112 usec
>64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=111 usec
>64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=110 usec
>64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=112 usec
>64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=5 ttl=255 time=109 usec

>--- 10.2.1.1 ping statistics ---
>6 packets transmitted, 6 packets received, 0% packet loss
>round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 0.109/0.113/0.126/0.010 ms

>1. Installing networking on the ECS box.
I actually have 2 eCS installations on my own box - 1 to use and 1 to
paly with.  The 1 to play with has networking installed, but I don't know
how successfully

>Is a network adapter fitted, what brand.
Yes, don't remember what brand but it's a Realtek chipset, has an OS/2
NDIS driver which installs, loads and seems to be error free.

>At ECS install did you enter the network install section or skip it 
>altogether.  I entered it, but was probably a virtual bull in a china shop.

Thanx again
Kev
=========================
Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!  
We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
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Date:  Fri, 24 May 2002 13:30:42 +0900
From:  Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS????

In <3CECBF42.EC7BC7E8atbigpond dot net dot au>, on 05/23/2002 
   at 08:06 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> said:

>you can try adding the /J  (for support Joliet style file names) switch
>to the existing driver.

I'm pretty sure he meant /W for the Joliet File System

cheers
Kev
=========================
Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!  
We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================

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Date:  Fri, 24 May 2002 17:55:02 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] [Fwd: [khw] Some Light Relief For a Friday Morning]

I wonder has anyone tried reading one of these "copy protected" disks under
OS/2 - Perhaps we don't need the expensive marker pen ??
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Date:  Fri, 24 May 2002 17:56:01 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS????

Whoops - right there Kev.  I think Daryl documented this better than I did
anyway. So did it work ???

Cheers/2
Ed.

Kev Downes wrote:
> 
> In <3CECBF42.EC7BC7E8atbigpond dot net dot au>, on 05/23/2002
>    at 08:06 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> said:
> 
> >you can try adding the /J  (for support Joliet style file names) switch
> >to the existing driver.
> 
> I'm pretty sure he meant /W for the Joliet File System
> 
> cheers
> Kev
=========================
> Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
> Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
> We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
> "Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
> and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
> nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
> 

>  

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Date:  Fri, 24 May 2002 17:59:38 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Home networking

Here's a trick for you Kev when it comes to OS/2 networking and sharing
files and printers etc.

Take out your Windows 9x manual and look up in the command line section (I
hope there is a section on this ....) and read how to share devices from the
command prompt.  Guess what ... EXACTLY the same commands work under OS/2 !!

GUI is different unfortunately (what's happening behind the GUIs is the same
though).

Cheers/2

Ed.

Kev Downes wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve
> 
> Thanx for your time.  Don'y give up - we might get somewhere here.
> 
> In <02052321364700.00679atwainui>, on 05/23/2002
>    at 09:36 PM, steve <steveatedmondsfamily.co.nz> said:
> 
> >It seems the steps left to complete can be listed as;
> >0. Verify windows installations and record data required to set the ECS
> >box
> 
> OK, can do that.
> 
> >       in the same network.
> >1. Install and verify networking on ECS machine.
> Now we hit the wall.  I can install the eCS network software OK, but how
> do I verify it?  It's *during* the install that I'm asked all the
> questions I don't understand - in the various network settings notebooks.
> 
> >2. Share a printer to everyone.
> >3. Share the hard drive on the ECS machine to everyone.
> I've no idea how to share anything in OS/2
> 
> >Following is my recommendation.
> 
> >0. As this is a small network I would asign IP adresses manually. As I
> >don't like typing alot of numbers I use addresses starting at 10.2.1.1.
> 
> I use 192.168.0.1 etc in Windoze. Is that OK?
> 
> The rest of what follows I think I can do OK, but will have to try later.
> A good start would be to get those 2 problems above sorted.
> 
> >In windows>settings>control panel>networking,
> >configuration tab
> >       you should see tcp/ip-> and netbeui-> against your network adapter.
> >identification tab
> >       computer name - each computer has its own name,
> >       workgroup - every computer has the same. Workgroup or ournet, etc.
> 
> >Back to configuration tab, click on tcp/ip -> your network adapter,
> >click on  properties.
> >Click on specify IP address.
> >IP address tab
> >       Enter & write down the ip address, every machine differs, say 10.2.1.1
> >       Enter if needed subnet mask, 255.255.255.0
> >WINS configuration tab
> >       disable wins.
> >Netbios tab
> >       netbios over tcp/ip should be ticked.
> >Bindings tab
> >       All ticked
> >DNS tab
> >       I enter a host name the same as the identification tab computer name.
> >               This is your tcp/ip name.
> >       I enter a domain name such as home dot net, this is the IP name I give to
> >               the home network.
> >       I enable DNS and enter my DNS IP addresses as given by my ISP
> >               in the DNS server search order.
> >Gateway tab
> >       Enter the ip address of the computer (or adsl router) that is your
> >       connection point to the internet and performing true tcp/ip internet
> >sharing
> >       (this is often called masqurading or IP forwarding).
> 
> >Back to configuration tab, click on netbeui -> your network adapter,
> >click on  properties.
> 
> >Bindings tab
> >       All ticked.
> 
> >At the end of this nothing has really changed, we have all settings for
> >netbuei, tcp/ip and netbuei over tcp/ip confirmed and visible and a
> >table;
> 
> >whosPC         Computer name           IP address
> >bob            kids1                   10.2.1.2
> >jill           mum                     10.2.1.3
> 
> >You need to reboot win pc's after any changes. At a
> >start>programs>ms-dos  prompt you should be able to type >ping 10.2.1.3
> >(an IP of another machine)  and should get something like the following
> >to verify all machines tcp/ip  talks.
> >> ping 10.2.1.1
> >PING 10.2.1.1 (10.2.1.1) from 10.2.1.2 : 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes
> >from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=126 usec
> >64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=112 usec
> >64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=111 usec
> >64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=110 usec
> >64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=112 usec
> >64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=5 ttl=255 time=109 usec
> 
> >--- 10.2.1.1 ping statistics ---
> >6 packets transmitted, 6 packets received, 0% packet loss
> >round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 0.109/0.113/0.126/0.010 ms
> 
> >1. Installing networking on the ECS box.
> I actually have 2 eCS installations on my own box - 1 to use and 1 to
> paly with.  The 1 to play with has networking installed, but I don't know
> how successfully
> 
> >Is a network adapter fitted, what brand.
> Yes, don't remember what brand but it's a Realtek chipset, has an OS/2
> NDIS driver which installs, loads and seems to be error free.
> 
> >At ECS install did you enter the network install section or skip it
> >altogether.  I entered it, but was probably a virtual bull in a china shop.
> 
> Thanx again
> Kev
=========================
> Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
> Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
> We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
> "Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
> and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
> nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
> 

>  

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Date:  Fri, 24 May 2002 18:01:02 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [khw] Some Light Relief For a Friday Morning]

I'm sure you're all asking what I am reffering to .. It looks like note I
wanted to forward got deleted - I'll try again ...

Ed.

Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> I wonder has anyone tried reading one of these "copy protected" disks under
> OS/2 - Perhaps we don't need the expensive marker pen ??
> [attachments have been deleted]
> 

>  

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Date:  Fri, 24 May 2002 15:59:59 +0900
From:  Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [khw] Some Light Relief For a Friday Morning]

In <3CEDF1D6.3192AADatbigpond dot net dot au>, on 05/24/2002 
   at 05:55 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> said:

>I wonder has anyone tried reading one of these "copy protected" disks
>under OS/2 - Perhaps we don't need the expensive marker pen ??
>[attachments have been deleted]

What????

Kev
=========================
Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!  
We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================

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Date:  Fri, 24 May 2002 18:07:20 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] Some light releif

OK, this time via cut and paste rather than forward ....

I wonder if we need to buy a marker for these copy protected Sony CDs if we
run OS/2 ?

'Copy Proof' CDs Cracked With 99-Cent Marker

By Bernhard Warner
Reuters

LONDON (May 20) - Technology buffs have cracked music publishing giant Sony 
Music's elaborate disc copy-protection technology with a decidedly low-tech 
method: scribbling around the rim of a disk with a felt-tip marker.

Internet newsgroups have been circulating news of the discovery for the past 
week, and in typical newsgroup style, users have pilloried Sony for
deploying 
"hi-tech" copy protection that can be defeated by paying a visit to a
stationery store.

"I wonder what type of copy protection will come next?" one posting on 
alt.music.prince read. "Maybe they'll ban markers."

Sony did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

Major music labels, including Sony and Universal Music, have begun selling 
the "copy-proof" discs as a means of tackling the rampant spread of music 
piracy, which they claim is eating into sales.

The new technology aims to prevent consumers from copying, or "burning," 
music onto recordable CDs or onto their computer hard drives, which can then 
be shared with other users over file-sharing Internet services such as Kazaa 
or Morpheus MusicCity.

SONY AGGRESSIVE ANTI-PIRACY PUSH

On Monday, Reuters obtained an ordinary copy of Celine Dion's newest release
"A New Day Has Come," which comes embedded with Sony's "Key2Audio"
technology.

After an initial attempt to play the disc on a PC resulted in failure, the 
edge of the shiny side of the disc was blackened out with a felt tip 
marker. 
The second attempt with the marked-up CD played and copied to the hard drive 
without a hitch.

Internet postings claim that tape or even a sticky note can also be used to 
cover the security track, typically located on the outer rim of the disc.
And 
there are suggestions that copy protection schemes used by other music
labels 
can also be circumvented in a similar way.

Sony's proprietary technology, deployed on many recent releases, works by 
adding a track to the copy-protected disc that contains bogus data.

Because computer hard drives are programmed to read data files first, the 
computer will continuously try to play the bogus track first. It never gets 
to play the music tracks located elsewhere on the compact disc.

The effect is that the copy-protected disc will play on standard CD players 
but not on computer CD-Rom drives, some portable devices and even some car 
stereo systems.

Some Apple Macintosh users have reported that playing the disc in the
computer's CD drive causes the computer to crash. The cover of the
copy-protected discs contain a warning that the album will not play on 
Macintoshes or other personal computers.

Apple has since posted a warning on its website at: 
http:/kbase.info.apple dot com/cgibin/WebObjects/kbase.woa/wa/query?
searchMode-Ass

Cheers/2

Ed.
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Date:  Fri, 24 May 2002 18:04:51 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextremeatimpulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] [os] Win98 & HPFS????

>Whoops - right there Kev.  I think Daryl documented this better than I did
>anyway. So did it work ???

Don't know.  I haven't been motivated enough to change my config.sys; not to copy 
Space Quest IV files.  Anyway, I was a wrong saying that only one file didn't copy over.  
It was actually two RESOURCE.003 and RESOURCE.005.

Oh... if anyone out there is concerned about pirating software, I do own the original 
disks.  I just put them onto CD coz floppies have a tendency to die

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Date:  Fri, 24 May 2002 22:41:17 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [khw] Some Light Relief For a Friday Morning]

Hi Ed

>I'm sure you're all asking what I am reffering to .. It looks like note I
>wanted to forward got deleted - I'll try again ...

>> [attachments have been deleted]

Called OS/2 AntiVirus and HTML protection :-)

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Men are liars.  We'll lie about lying if we have to.  I'm an algebra 
liar.  I figure two good lies make a positive.
                                  -Tim Allen
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