Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 352
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" <deadmail>
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 00:00:08 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Thursday 23 May 2002
 Number  352
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Subjects for today
 
1  [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS???? : Gavin Miller" <drumextremeatimpulse dot net dot au>
2  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS???? : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
3  Re: [os2genau] Home networking : Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
4  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS???? : Gavin Miller" <drumextremeatimpulse dot net dot au>
5  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS???? : Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
6  Re: [os2genau] Home networking : steve <steveatedmondsfamily.co.nz>
7  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS???? : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
8  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS???? : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
9  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS???? : Gavin Miller" <drumextremeatimpulse dot net dot au>
10  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS???? : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>

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Date:  Thu, 23 May 2002 11:10:48 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextremeatimpulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS????

Hi all,

I've recently broke out my old 386sx and installed Warp Connect on it.  It doesn't have a 
CD rom so I networked it to my main machine.  I wanted to transfer files from a 
80min/700Mb CD, but it seems my version of Warp4 doesn't like this size CD too much 
[and it was just one file that warp couldn't read properly too :-(  ].  So I boot into Windows 
and had a play.  Network neighbourhood saw both HPFS partitions on the 386.  I was 
under the impression windows couldn't see HPFS.  I could open text files, but programs 
(dos) wouldn't run.  I could also copy files onto the Win98 partition.  That's quite good 
concidering HPFS is supposed to be invisable to Windows.  Any thoughts???

Incedentally, I used the 386 to transfer from my main computers' cd

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Date:  Thu, 23 May 2002 12:15:09 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS????

Hi Gavin,
Win98 cannot see HPFS filesystems, the key word here is *network*.

It is OS/2 PEER, OS/2's *network* software, that is giving you access
to the HPFS filesystem.

Make sure the path to DOS programs residing on your 386 conform to the
8.3 DOS naming convention, otherwise they won't run.

The reason your CD cannot be read under Warp 4 is probably because of:
1)
Rockridge/Joliet support, (essentially long filenames), not being
enabled in config.sys with:
IFS=C:\OS2\BOOT\CDFS.IFS /W

2)
You probably need an updated CD-ROM driver.
Have you installed DDPak 2?

OS/2 Warp 4 is really getting a bit old, for compatability with current
standards you really need to be at:

Base OS:
XR_M015

Hardware Support:
XR_D002

Network:
MPTS WR08621
File & Print Client IP08414

The above list is not exhaustive :(

Look at:
http://www.warpupdates.mynetcologne.de/english/site_contents.html

On Thu, 23 May 2002 11:10:48 +1100 (EDT), Gavin Miller wrote:
>
>Hi all,
>
SNIP
>
>... CD rom so I networked it to my main machine.  I wanted to transfer files from a 
>80min/700Mb CD, but it seems my version of Warp4 doesn't like this size CD too much 
>[and it was just one file that warp couldn't read properly too :-(  ].  So I boot into Windows and had a play.  Network neighbourhood saw both HPFS partitions on the 386.  I was under the impression windows couldn't see HPFS.  I could open text files, but programs (dos) wouldn't run.  I could also copy files onto the Win98 partition.  That's quite good concidering HPFS is supposed to be invisable to Windows.  Any thoughts???
>
>Incedentally, I used the 386 to transfer from my main computers' cd
>

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

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Date:  Thu, 23 May 2002 11:07:21 +0900
From:  Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Home networking

Hi Steve

In <02052022173801.00650atwainui>, on 05/20/2002 
   at 10:17 PM, Steve Edmonds <engineeringatprecisiontransducers dot com>
said:

>> I, like any idiot, can network Win9x, but I've never been able to get
>> OS/2 - eCS boxes talking.

Windoze does it for me.  In fact for basic file and print sharing I don't
have to change a thing.  Each machine talks to each of the others
straight out of the install.

>What is your proposed setup.
P2p, up to 8 machines via an 8 port hub with file and print sharing at
least.  I can live without internet sharing, tho Windoze gives it to me
with absolutely no effort at all on my part.

>Which machine is sharing the internet connection.
Mine!!  (I don't quite understand what you want here.)

>What sort of internet connection. (dial up, on demand, ISDN, ADSL).
Dial up.  I've given up the idea of ADSL - too hard on any thing except
Windoze!!

>Which machine(s) has the printer(s) you wish to share.
There are 3 printers, each on a different machine.  One is on mine.

>Asuming an rj45 cable (telephone type plug) & not coax cable. 
Correct!!  8 port hub.

>What sort of file sharing do you wan't, who accesses who?
Everyone accesses everyone!!  Network is automagically up and going at
boot up.  I don't want/need logins or any kind of security at all.  By
that I mean no need to keep users on MY home network out of anywhere on
my network.  Obviously we need some type of security for the internet,
but firewalls are something to worry about in the future. 

Cheers
Kev
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Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!  
We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
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"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
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Date:  Thu, 23 May 2002 13:32:56 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextremeatimpulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS????

Hi Daryl,

Yes OS/2 Warp 4 is a tad aged, but seeing as I only have a Windows partition to play 2 
games and run Cubase, I haven't really had the need to update the system too much at 
all.  The last FP I installed was 9.  Peer is working nicely for me between Warp 3 
Connect (no FP applied) and Warp 4 machines.  I don't have DDPak 2, so no, I haven't 
applied it.  I'm using the latest DANI drivers, also the CD in question is in 8.3 format 
anyway.  I don't have a burner, so the cd was created on a Win station using an 
unsavoury version of Adaptec Direct CD.

My entire system is quite a few years behind the times, and I just updated it this year (PII 
266 mmx, 64Mb ram, 10gig HD)  When I need to get the latest, it'll be because of a 
Windows game I want to play :-)

Thanks Daryl,

Cheers
G 

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Date:  Thu, 23 May 2002 13:53:02
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS????

** Reply to note from "Gavin Miller" <drumextremeatimpulse dot net dot au> Thu, 23 May 2002 13:32:56 +1100 (EDT)

> Yes OS/2 Warp 4 is a tad aged, but seeing as I only have a Windows partition to play 2  
> games and run Cubase, I haven't really had the need to update the system too much at  
> all.  The last FP I installed was 9.  Peer is working nicely for me between Warp 3  
> Connect (no FP applied) and Warp 4 machines.  

until rather recently, our fax server/SMS server/DNS machine run on
WArpConnect 0 fixpack.

as I got tired of NOT being able to mouse drag cut'n'paste (on
WArpConnect), I've installed Warp4 on it (together with extra RAM, it was
16MB or 20MB only)

the only reason for upgading was the difference in user interface between
WC and W4, otherwise, it would have been kept as Connect 0 fp

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Thu, 23 May 2002 21:36:47 +1200
From:  steve <steveatedmondsfamily.co.nz>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Home networking

Hi Kev.
Anyone else feel free to correct me where I get this wrong.

> Hi Steve
>

> said:
> >> I, like any idiot, can network Win9x, but I've never been able to get
> >> OS/2 - eCS boxes talking.
>
> Windoze does it for me.  In fact for basic file and print sharing I don't
> have to change a thing.  Each machine talks to each of the others
> straight out of the install.
>
> >What is your proposed setup.
>
> P2p, up to 8 machines via an 8 port hub with file and print sharing at
> least.  I can live without internet sharing, tho Windoze gives it to me
> with absolutely no effort at all on my part.

I am assuming then we can leave the win boxes alone.

> >Which machine is sharing the internet connection.
>
> Mine!!  (I don't quite understand what you want here.)

If windows gives you internet sharing, dial on demand of any other machine on 
your home net, is trouble free and costs nothing you could stick with that 
machine accessing the internet.

> >What sort of internet connection. (dial up, on demand, ISDN, ADSL).
>
> Dial up.  I've given up the idea of ADSL - too hard on any thing except
> Windoze!!

We use ADSL, its os independant. You get a standalone unit like a Nokia 
MW1122 which just plugs into your network hub with RJ45 and everyone accesses 
the 'net at high speed.

> >Which machine(s) has the printer(s) you wish to share.
>
> There are 3 printers, each on a different machine.  One is on mine.
>
> >Asuming an rj45 cable (telephone type plug) & not coax cable.
>
> Correct!!  8 port hub.
>
> >What sort of file sharing do you wan't, who accesses who?
>
> Everyone accesses everyone!!  Network is automagically up and going at
> boot up.  I don't want/need logins or any kind of security at all.  By
> that I mean no need to keep users on MY home network out of anywhere on
> my network.  Obviously we need some type of security for the internet,
> but firewalls are something to worry about in the future.
>
> Cheers
> Kev

It seems the steps left to complete can be listed as;
0. Verify windows installations and record data required to set the ECS box
	in the same network.
1. Install and verify networking on ECS machine.
2. Share a printer to everyone.
3. Share the hard drive on the ECS machine to everyone.

Following is my recommendation.

0. As this is a small network I would asign IP adresses manually.
As I don't like typing alot of numbers I use addresses starting at 10.2.1.1.

In windows>settings>control panel>networking, 
configuration tab
	you should see tcp/ip-> and netbeui-> against your network adapter.
identification tab
	computer name - each computer has its own name,
	workgroup - every computer has the same. Workgroup or ournet, etc.

Back to configuration tab, click on tcp/ip -> your network adapter, click on 
properties.
Click on specify IP address.
IP address tab
	Enter & write down the ip address, every machine differs, say 10.2.1.1
	Enter if needed subnet mask, 255.255.255.0
WINS configuration tab
	disable wins.
Netbios tab
	netbios over tcp/ip should be ticked.
Bindings tab
	All ticked
DNS tab
	I enter a host name the same as the identification tab computer name.
		This is your tcp/ip name.
	I enter a domain name such as home dot net, this is the IP name I give to 
		the home network.
	I enable DNS and enter my DNS IP addresses as given by my ISP
		in the DNS server search order.
Gateway tab
	Enter the ip address of the computer (or adsl router) that is your 
	connection point to the internet and performing true tcp/ip internet sharing
	(this is often called masqurading or IP forwarding).

Back to configuration tab, click on netbeui -> your network adapter, click on 
properties.

Bindings tab
	All ticked.

At the end of this nothing has really changed, we have all settings for 
netbuei, tcp/ip and netbuei over tcp/ip confirmed and visible and a table;

whosPC		Computer name		IP address
bob		kids1			10.2.1.2
jill		mum			10.2.1.3

You need to reboot win pc's after any changes. At a start>programs>ms-dos 
prompt you should be able to type >ping 10.2.1.3 (an IP of another machine) 
and should get something like the following to verify all machines tcp/ip 
talks.
> ping 10.2.1.1
PING 10.2.1.1 (10.2.1.1) from 10.2.1.2 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=126 usec
64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=112 usec
64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=111 usec
64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=110 usec
64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=112 usec
64 bytes from 10.2.1.2: icmp_seq=5 ttl=255 time=109 usec

--- 10.2.1.1 ping statistics ---
6 packets transmitted, 6 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 0.109/0.113/0.126/0.010 ms

1. Installing networking on the ECS box.
Is a network adapter fitted, what brand.
At ECS install did you enter the network install section or skip it 
altogether.

steve
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Date:  Thu, 23 May 2002 20:06:58 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS????

When you access any drive across the LAN you use the Network file system.
The
system "at the other end" takes care of conversion in both directions as
does 
your local OS. Hence you could consider the "Network file system" as a
uniform
standard on all systems that can use SMB (windows/OS2) networking protocols.

The problem with reading the CD is probably not the size of the CD but
perhaps the format of the particular file name. Either install the latest
drivers or
you can try adding the /J  (for support Joliet style file names) switch to
the 
existing driver.

Cheers/2

Ed. 

Gavin Miller wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've recently broke out my old 386sx and installed Warp Connect on it.  It doesn't have a
> CD rom so I networked it to my main machine.  I wanted to transfer files from a
> 80min/700Mb CD, but it seems my version of Warp4 doesn't like this size CD too much
> [and it was just one file that warp couldn't read properly too :-(  ].  So I boot into Windows
> and had a play.  Network neighbourhood saw both HPFS partitions on the 386.  I was
> under the impression windows couldn't see HPFS.  I could open text files, but programs
> (dos) wouldn't run.  I could also copy files onto the Win98 partition.  That's quite good
> concidering HPFS is supposed to be invisable to Windows.  Any thoughts???
> 
> Incedentally, I used the 386 to transfer from my main computers' cd
> 

>  

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Date:  Thu, 23 May 2002 20:22:41 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS????

Just ashort comment Gavin - that system spec is MORE than capable of running
the latest and greatest version of Warp 4 !  It's only Windoze where you
have to double the power of everthing in your system at every update !

Cheers/2
Ed.

Gavin Miller wrote:
> 
> Hi Daryl,
> 
> My entire system is quite a few years behind the times, and I just updated it this year (PII 266 mmx, 64Mb ram, 10gig HD)  When I need to get the latest, it'll be because of a Windows game I want to play :-)
> 
> Thanks Daryl,
> 
> Cheers
> G
> 

>  

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Date:  Thu, 23 May 2002 20:18:04 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextremeatimpulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS????

Hi Ed,

>It's only Windoze where you
>have to double the power of everthing in your system at every update !

A friend rang last night and asked if I'd gotten around to using XP yet.  I said you need a 
super computer to run it.  He then told me he had it running on a PII 233 laptop with a 
mere 390 something Meg of ram.

I laughed. :-)

Cheers
G

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Date:  Thu, 23 May 2002 20:55:20 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Win98 & HPFS????

Actually there's running and RUNNING .... Your friend hasn't done badly
getting XP to run on a PII 233. I think this is minimum spec, recommended is
400 plus. OK 390+ MB of RAM helps a lot.

Cheers/2
Ed.

Gavin Miller wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed,
> 
> >It's only Windoze where you
> >have to double the power of everthing in your system at every update !
> 
> A friend rang last night and asked if I'd gotten around to using XP yet.  I said you need a
> super computer to run it.  He then told me he had it running on a PII 233 laptop with a
> mere 390 something Meg of ram.
> 
> I laughed. :-)
> 
> Cheers
> G
> 

>  

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