Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 344
From: Digest <deadmail>
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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 00:00:04 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Tuesday 14 May 2002
 Number  344
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re: [os2genau] SOLVED: Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd : Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
2  Re: [os2genau] Memory leaks : Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au>
3  Re: [os2genau] Spam : tsqatchariot dot net dot au
4  Re: [os2genau] Spam : tsqatchariot dot net dot au
5  Re: [os2genau] Memory leaks : Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
6  Re: [os2genau] M$ Office compatability (Was: SOLVED: Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd) : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
7  Re: [os2genau] Memory leaks : brianbatkdfisher dot com dot au
8  Re: [os2genau] Memory leaks : Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
9  [os2genau] Huge Hard drives?? : Gavin Miller" <drumextremeatimpulse dot net dot au>
10  Re: [os2genau] Memory leaks : Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au>
11  Re: [os2genau] Memory leaks : Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
12  Re: [os2genau] SOLVED: Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
13  Re: [os2genau] Huge Hard drives?? : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
14  Re: [os2genau] SOLVED: Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd : steve <steveatedmondsfamily.co.nz>
15  Re: [os2genau] SOLVED: Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd : Alan Duval" <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
16  Re: [os2genau] SOLVED: Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd : voytek" <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
17  Re: [os2genau] SOLVED: Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd : voytek" <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>

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Date:  Tue, 14 May 2002 10:23:58 +0900
From:  Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SOLVED: Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd

In <3CDF9AD6.F5D8C628atbigpond dot net dot au>, on 05/13/2002 
   at 08:52 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> said:

>Unfortunately Sun have dropped the OS/2 version of Star Office. Yhere
>will be no V6 for OS/2. Lotus on the other hand have just released V1.7
>of Smartsuite for Warp 4 and V1.8 is slated for release later this year.

>I also prefer Star Office over Smartsuite by the way.

Quite frankly I can't come to terms with either of them very well.  I
still use good ol' DeScribe 5.06 for all my word processing, with SS
installed purely for file conversion, 123 and the very rare PP
presentation.

cheers
Kev
=========================
Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!  
We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
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Date:  Tue, 14 May 2002 14:59:04 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Memory leaks

There has been a thread on the Browser group recently about ',memory leaks' and 
as a neurologist I found this fascinating!   There was apparently a problem with 
memory leaks in NS 4/6 and it is apparently a "major problem" with win NT!!  As a 
simple soul merrily computing away at work ,,, my question is... "how do I notice 
these memory leaks "  and what are the symptoms and signs??
\

Graham Norton
Neurologist

"when I need a hole in the head, I use Windows
when I need a window on the brain, I use OS2!"

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Date:  Tue, 14 May 2002 13:37:25 -0500
From:  tsqatchariot dot net dot au
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Spam

On 05/13/02 at 09:05 PM, Leigh Bunting <vh_gdnatinternode.on dot net> said:

Hi Leigh,

->I'm also with Internode and do not get ANY spam - wish I could say the
->same at work, whoever their ISP is.

Sounds like an improvement, I was going to ask if you read/post to any
newsgroups, but I've just discovered my posts were clean of my email
address, so I might be a random hit based on the listing I mentioned in my
reply to Ed !?!

->The MD of Internode, Simon Hackett, is also a fellow glider pilot. --

So you trust him with your life then :-)))

Glenn.
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Glenn Thompson
tsqatchariot dot net dot au
OS/2 Users Group of South Australia
www.
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Date:  Tue, 14 May 2002 13:25:43 -0500
From:  tsqatchariot dot net dot au
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Spam

On 05/13/02 at 05:41 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> said:

->Believe it or not, Telstra are very active in blocking SPAM.

At last they're actually doing something positive :-))

->You need to differentiate between SPAM, where someone simply gets into

This is spam, no mistaking it :-))
I don't give my email address to anyone, especially some companies webpage !
I'm usually good at keeping my nose clean, but must've slipped somewhere
coz this began after I posted onto usenet, which I hadn't done for ages.

It's interesting how they're doing it, the letters in my address seem to be used
as a base point, then they list other address combinations, all at my isp.

Maybe it's my ISP doing it !

Thanks Ed,
Glenn.
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tsqatchariot dot net dot au
OS/2 Users Group of South Australia
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Date:  Tue, 14 May 2002 16:08:45
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Memory leaks

** Reply to note from "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au> Tue, 14 May 2002 14:59:04 +1100 (EDT)

> There has been a thread on the Browser group recently about ',memory leaks' and  
> as a neurologist I found this fascinating!   There was apparently a problem with  
> memory leaks in NS 4/6 and it is apparently a "major problem" with win NT!!  As a  
> simple soul merrily computing away at work ,,, my question is... "how do I notice  
> these memory leaks "  and what are the symptoms and signs??

fluid coming out from above the hairline ?

hmmm... I guess:

'm l' is when an application doesn't release memory it no longer needs.

if your swapfile keeps growing, and growing, and growing, there is a chance you have a
memory leak.

generally, shutting down the suspect app will release the memory.
if, after restarting same app, the swap stays at the lower setting, then, it creaps up,
well, you've got a 'm l'

Theseus/2 allows to find/analyze the culprits, with the REXX API, you can have something
like:

<groper>[F:\]swap2.cmd
62
98
6d 0h 22m 0s 914ms
Swap Analysis 62 MB, 98% of it used

OK, clearly this machine is suffering from 'm l' right now (it starts with 20MB swapper):

swap2.cmd will actually look at internal swap utilization, so, you can see leak BEFORE
swapper bloats

to use use swap2 you must have thesues driver installed, go.exe & stdout.cmd
on path, :

swap2.cmd
----------
/* swap.cmd HD swapper free/used space */
/* must have Theseues2 installed / driver loaded */

		CALL RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs', 'RexxUtil', 'SysLoadFuncs'
      		CALL SysLoadFuncs

		Call RxFuncAdd 'RT2LoadFuncs', 'Theseus0', 'RT2LoadFuncs'
		Call RT2LoadFuncs

/* output in format suitable for MRTG */

Server= stdout('hostname') 'Swap Analysis'
Uptime=STRIP(SUBSTR(stdout('go -ut'),71))

parse value RT2AnalyzeSwapper() with SwapUsed SwapFree

SAY format((SwapUsed+SwapFree)*4/1024,,)
SAY format(100*SwapUsed/(SwapUsed+SwapFree),,0)
SAY UPTIME
SAY Server format((SwapUsed+SwapFree)*4/1024,,)' MB,' format(100*SwapUsed/(SwapUsed+SwapFree),,0)'% of it used'
exit

/* ve end Sat 24/04/1999*/

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Tue, 14 May 2002 12:58:31 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] M$ Office compatability (Was: SOLVED: Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd)

Hi All,

Yes, you'll probably be able to read M$ formats acceptably in SO or SS,
but the only way to ensure exact formating integrity is to use the same
version of an application that created it.

M$ are not known for their cross-version or cross-platform
compatability.

So open it up in M$ Office & create a PDF using Windows GhostScript &
RedMon configured as a PDFWriter.

Describe is an excellent WP.
BTW, SO v6.0 for Windows works well under ODIN, but SS v1.7 is much
quicker.

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          Mob: 0425-251-300

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Date:  Tue, 14 May 2002 16:41:26 +0930
From:  brianbatkdfisher dot com dot au
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Memory leaks

Graham,
Memory leaks result from C++ programmers forgetting to free
dynamically allocated memory.

As for symptoms this varies depending on how long the program
is running, how much RAM you have etc.
A simple utility that runs for a few minutes and then exits will not
exhibit
any symptoms as all dynamically allocated memory is returned when
a program exits.

The big danger with leaks is when they are in the OS itself or in
programs that run continuously, i.e. deamons, servers etc.

The problem manifests as
crashes due to memory access violations
general lethargy of the system
crashes when the swap file volume runs out of room.

There is nothing you can do about it as a user because the fault
is in the source code and so only a programmer with access to the
source can fix it.

Hope this helps.

-----------------------------------------
Brian Butler
System Administrator
brianbatkdfisher dot com dot au

                                                                                              
                    "Dr Graham                                                                
                    Norton FRACP         To:     "os2genauatos2 dot org dot au" <deadmail>  
                    Neurologist"         cc:                                                  
                    <gnatsmart-roa        Subject:     Re: [os2genau] Memory leaks             
                    d dot com dot au>                                                                 
                                                                                              
                    14/05/2002                                                                
                    13:29                                                                     
                    Please                                                                    
                    respond to                                                                
                    os2genau                                                                  

There has been a thread on the Browser group recently about ',memory leaks'
and
as a neurologist I found this fascinating!   There was apparently a problem
with
memory leaks in NS 4/6 and it is apparently a "major problem" with win NT!!
As a
simple soul merrily computing away at work ,,, my question is... "how do I
notice
these memory leaks "  and what are the symptoms and signs??
\

Graham Norton
Neurologist

"when I need a hole in the head, I use Windows
when I need a window on the brain, I use OS2!"

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Date:  Tue, 14 May 2002 17:18:15
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Memory leaks

** Reply to note from brianbatkdfisher dot com dot au Tue, 14 May 2002 16:41:26 +0930

> There is nothing you can do about it as a user because the fault 
> is in the source code and so only a programmer with access to the 
> source can fix it.

yes, but as a work around, shutting down and restarting the supect or, known offender,
will generally lessen the problem, or, CRON driven reboot to 'zero' the leak, before it
cuses real problem.

btw, Graham, then, there are also socket leaks: no longer wanted, but, not released,
sockets.

netstat -s
will show these

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Tue, 14 May 2002 17:31:44 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextremeatimpulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] Huge Hard drives??

Hi All,

I rememver a thread involving this subject, but silly me didn't pay much attention.

What need to be done to the installation disks for Warp to install on huge hard disks.  I 
have applied a fix from IBM to disk 2, and it installs but not on partitions larger than 2Gb.  
How can I get around that?  Also I've noticed that even though Warp installs, it won't 
recognise the actual size of large partitions until FP9 is applied (FP9 is the only one I 
have).  Would the Daniella drivers replacing the IBM ones on disk 2 make any 
difference?

Cheers
Gavin

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Date:  Tue, 14 May 2002 17:28:17 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Memory leaks

Thanks Brian

so that begs the question  for me at work...

 Warp Server running
 the file and print server 
Apache
Email Server
PMFax
FTP Server

and my separate Internet gateway machine running  only Injoy Firewall,

should I  do a shut down and re boot once a month or even more frequently either 
or both machines?

On Tue, 14 May 2002 16:41:26 +0930, brianbatkdfisher dot com dot au wrote:

>
>Graham,
>Memory leaks result from C++ programmers forgetting to free
>dynamically allocated memory.
>
>As for symptoms this varies depending on how long the program
>is running, how much RAM you have etc.
>A simple utility that runs for a few minutes and then exits will not
>exhibit
>any symptoms as all dynamically allocated memory is returned when
>a program exits.
>
>The big danger with leaks is when they are in the OS itself or in
>programs that run continuously, i.e. deamons, servers etc.
>
>The problem manifests as
>crashes due to memory access violations
>general lethargy of the system
>crashes when the swap file volume runs out of room.
>
>There is nothing you can do about it as a user because the fault
>is in the source code and so only a programmer with access to the
>source can fix it.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>-----------------------------------------
>Brian Butler
>System Administrator
>brianbatkdfisher dot com dot au
>
>
>                                                                                              
>                    "Dr Graham                                                                
>                    Norton FRACP         To:     "os2genauatos2 dot org dot au" 
<deadmail>  
>                    Neurologist"         cc:                                                  
>                    <gnatsmart-roa        Subject:     Re: [os2genau] Memory leaks             
>                    d dot com dot au>                                                                 
>                                                                                              
>                    14/05/2002                                                                
>                    13:29                                                                     
>                    Please                                                                    
>                    respond to                                                                
>                    os2genau                                                                  
>                                                                                              
>                                                                                              
>
>
>
>
>There has been a thread on the Browser group recently about ',memory leaks'
>and
>as a neurologist I found this fascinating!   There was apparently a problem
>with
>memory leaks in NS 4/6 and it is apparently a "major problem" with win NT!!
>As a
>simple soul merrily computing away at work ,,, my question is... "how do I
>notice
>these memory leaks "  and what are the symptoms and signs??
>\
>
>Graham Norton
>Neurologist
>
>"when I need a hole in the head, I use Windows
>when I need a window on the brain, I use OS2!"
>
>

>
> 

>
>
>
>

> 

>

Graham Norton
Neurologist

"when I need a hole in the head, I use Windows
when I need a window on the brain, I use OS2!"

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Date:  Tue, 14 May 2002 18:22:45
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Memory leaks

** Reply to note from "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au> Tue, 14 May 2002 17:28:17 +1100 (EDT)

> should I  do a shut down and re boot once a month or even more frequently either  
> or both machines?

if you're leaking resources (memory, sockets), then yes
if you're not leaking resources, and, TCP/IP stack doesn't crash, I wouldn't worry to much
about it (till it does)

best option, put in a self health checker:
e.g: if my server can not ping itself 3 times, reipl;
if it can not ping the router 3 times, reipl;

etc,

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Tue, 14 May 2002 18:27:03 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SOLVED: Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd

Going back several years, there used to be programs to convert document and
spreadsheet formats. With Microsoft basically monopolising the market I
guess these companies and product died. It's a shame really. I know there's
one OS/2 product called anti-word that converts word documents to a more
usable format (HTML I think) but I've never tried it, so I don't know how
good it is.

As for Excel, Powerpoint etc. conversions, I don't think there's anything
specifically for the OS/2 user.

The only product that I know that does convert these formats is Viewiteasy
and it runs a copy of M$ Office on a Win2000 server with java input and
output routines to do it. Checkout www.viewiteasy dot com if this is of any
interest.

Oh for OpenDoc !!!

Cheers/2

Ed.

Kev Downes wrote:
> 
> In <3CDF9AD6.F5D8C628atbigpond dot net dot au>, on 05/13/2002
>    at 08:52 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> said:
> 
> >Unfortunately Sun have dropped the OS/2 version of Star Office. Yhere
> >will be no V6 for OS/2. Lotus on the other hand have just released V1.7
> >of Smartsuite for Warp 4 and V1.8 is slated for release later this year.
> 
> >I also prefer Star Office over Smartsuite by the way.
> 
> Quite frankly I can't come to terms with either of them very well.  I
> still use good ol' DeScribe 5.06 for all my word processing, with SS
> installed purely for file conversion, 123 and the very rare PP
> presentation.
> 
> cheers
> Kev
=========================
> Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
> Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
> We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
> "Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
> and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
> nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
> 

>  

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Date:  Tue, 14 May 2002 18:31:00 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Huge Hard drives??

Yes - Use the Daniela drivers.

Ed.

Gavin Miller wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I rememver a thread involving this subject, but silly me didn't pay much attention.
> 
> What need to be done to the installation disks for Warp to install on huge hard disks.  I
> have applied a fix from IBM to disk 2, and it installs but not on partitions larger than 2Gb.
> How can I get around that?  Also I've noticed that even though Warp installs, it won't
> recognise the actual size of large partitions until FP9 is applied (FP9 is the only one I
> have).  Would the Daniella drivers replacing the IBM ones on disk 2 make any
> difference?
> 
> Cheers
> Gavin
> 

>  

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Date:  Tue, 14 May 2002 23:11:50 +1200
From:  steve <steveatedmondsfamily.co.nz>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SOLVED: Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd

Hi.
I fired Mesa up the other day too and thats still is hard to beat.
A friend asked how to get a colunm for each day of the year in excel. I was 
astounded to see it only went to 256 cols (iv).

steve

On Tuesday 14 May 2002 13:23, you wrote:
> In <3CDF9AD6.F5D8C628atbigpond dot net dot au>, on 05/13/2002
>
>    at 08:52 PM, Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> said:
> >Unfortunately Sun have dropped the OS/2 version of Star Office. Yhere
> >will be no V6 for OS/2. Lotus on the other hand have just released V1.7
> >of Smartsuite for Warp 4 and V1.8 is slated for release later this year.
> >
> >I also prefer Star Office over Smartsuite by the way.
>
> Quite frankly I can't come to terms with either of them very well.  I
> still use good ol' DeScribe 5.06 for all my word processing, with SS
> installed purely for file conversion, 123 and the very rare PP
> presentation.
>
> cheers
> Kev
=========================
> Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
> Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
> We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
> "Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
> and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
> nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date:  Tue, 14 May 2002 22:27:58 -0400 (EDT)
From:  "Alan Duval" <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SOLVED: Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd

On Tue, 14 May 2002 10:23:58 +0900, Kev Downes wrote:

>Quite frankly I can't come to terms with either of them very well.  I
>still use good ol' DeScribe 5.06 for all my word processing, with SS
>installed purely for file conversion, 123 and the very rare PP
>presentation.

Where does on get a copy of Describe 5.06 from?
There was a copy of Describe on the APC disc but it didn't work.
It's a pity that the producers of programs for OS/2 don't release their code and programs to Hobbes when they 
stop selling them.

Alan Duval

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Date:  Mon, 13 May 2002 21:27:35 +1000
From:  "voytek" <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SOLVED: Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd

On Tue, 14 May 2002 18:27:03 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

there used an app called Word 4 Word from.... Mastersoft ...? or something... ? similar
in fact last time I looked,most word processors were using a licenced copy of it, which you could tell by looking at file 
names, the file names in 'full copy' of W4W were using same naming convention as dll conversion routines

>Going back several years, there used to be programs to convert document and
>spreadsheet formats. With Microsoft basically monopolising the market I
>guess these companies and product died. It's a shame really. I know there's
>one OS/2 product called anti-word that converts word documents to a more
>usable format (HTML I think) but I've never tried it, so I don't know how
>good it is.

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Date:  Mon, 13 May 2002 22:06:17 +1000
From:  "voytek" <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SOLVED: Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd

On Tue, 14 May 2002 22:27:58 -0400 (EDT), Alan Duval wrote:

>It's a pity that the producers of programs for OS/2 don't release their code and programs to Hobbes when they 
>stop selling them.

yes, it is. Though, even if DeScribe were willing, as they were, there was the question of various sub-licenced code that 
was used in DeScribe, that DeScribe were unable to release

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