Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 339
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Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 00:00:07 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Tuesday 07 May 2002
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re: [os2genau] MIME association PMmail/2??? : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
2  Re: [os2genau] Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
3  Re: [os2genau] Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd : Steve Edmonds <engineeringatprecisiontransducers dot com>
4  [os2genau] NFS + OS/2 network protocols ? : tsqatchariot dot net dot au
5  Re: [os2genau] NFS + OS/2 network protocols ? : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re: [os2genau] NFS + OS/2 network protocols ? : Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re: [os2genau] Odin : Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
8  Re: [os2genau] NFS + OS/2 network protocols ? : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
9  Re: [os2genau] MIME association PMmail/2??? : John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
10  Re: [os2genau] Working OS/2 Scroll mouse : David Forrester" <davidforatterrigal dot net dot au>

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Date:  Mon, 06 May 2002 23:12:31 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] MIME association PMmail/2???

John Angelico schreef:

>
> I endorse this wholeheartedly with one proviso - Russell has done wonders
> to the install and it is no pain at all. There has just been a new release
> of Ghostscript and GSView (see a recent VoiceNews).
>
> Then I would add that you can disable the plug-in from your browser,
> install GSView in its place and be free of the Win-OS/2 stub which I
> believe lurks under teh covers of the so-called OS/2 Acrobat reader.
>

I never managed to perform that trick properly. Could you please elaborate on the how to do?

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 07 May 2002 02:27:08 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd

Hi Steve,
Yes, you've got it right :)
So all I need to know is the exact Windoze syntax for talking to the
lpd queues on the OS/2 box.

Is the port = queue name, or the LPT redirected/assigned to it?
i.e.
PDFat192.168.1.2
or
LPT9at192.168.1.2

How to I configure the Postscript output, which is a printer driver
issue?
I'm using the Apple LaserWriter 16/600 PS driver.

If it was an OS/2 client, it would be:
LPT9at192.168.1.2

I might try it from an OS/2 client, just to find out what is the valid
port name.
Armed with this, I can then tweak the PS driver.

On Tue, 7 May 2002 00:03:32 +1200, Steve Edmonds wrote:

>Hi,
>I think Daryl may have wanted it the other way round.
>I use the Axis lpr port driver for win boxes, seems good.
>To print to the os/2 box I assume you need to start LPD in tcpip settings.
>Then in the axis port you define in win put the IP address of the OS/2 box 
>and the print queue. could be something like printerat192.168.1.2. I only 
>print from OS/2 and not to it with lpq so this is a bit of a guess.
>
>steve
>
>
>On Monday 06 May 2002 21:44, you wrote:
>> OK here goes ....
>>
>> Start
>> Settings
>> Printers
>> Add Printer wizard
>> next
>> local printer  (important NOT network printer!)
>> next
>> select the correct printer driver
>> next
>> now select the LPR Port from the list (* see below if you dont have one)
>> Configure the port by putting the printserver's IP address in the field
>> that says hostname or IP address and put the Queue name in the second field
>> (should say queue name or printer name or something).
>> next
>> printer name
>> default - yes or no
>> next
>> print test page (or not)
>> finish
>>
>> Now I suspect the point you don't have is the LPR port appearing in the
>> list of available ports. With windows NT / 2000 / XP and LPR printer port
>> is available to be installed. with Windows 95 (and it seems 98) you have to
>> add it yourself from a third party or shareware source. If you can't find
>> one on the web, I have a VERY old one on diskette somewhere that I
>> downloaded and installed for a customer when I was back in Adelaide, so
>> probably 4 or 5 years
>> ago, so you're probably better off looking on the Web for a more recent one
>> !
>> I searched the web and found several commercial products, I found also a
>> reference to several win98 tools at
>> http://www.longshine.de/support/frinhalt.htm
>>
>> You could try LCS-PS1+ from here.
>>
SNIP
>

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
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<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          Mob: 0425-251-300

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Date:  Tue, 7 May 2002 19:45:40 +1200
From:  Steve Edmonds <engineeringatprecisiontransducers dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Printing to an OS/2 box running lpd

Hi.
I have just clicked to what you want to do.
I was going to do this but my PMPDF prompts me for a file name.
Does your release automatically assign file name as docname.pdf?

steve

On Tuesday 07 May 2002 04:27, you wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> Yes, you've got it right :)
> So all I need to know is the exact Windoze syntax for talking to the
> lpd queues on the OS/2 box.
>
> Is the port = queue name, or the LPT redirected/assigned to it?
> i.e.
> PDFat192.168.1.2
> or
> LPT9at192.168.1.2
>
> How to I configure the Postscript output, which is a printer driver
> issue?
> I'm using the Apple LaserWriter 16/600 PS driver.
>
> If it was an OS/2 client, it would be:
> LPT9at192.168.1.2
>
> I might try it from an OS/2 client, just to find out what is the valid
> port name.
> Armed with this, I can then tweak the PS driver.
>
> On Tue, 7 May 2002 00:03:32 +1200, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> >Hi,
> >I think Daryl may have wanted it the other way round.
> >I use the Axis lpr port driver for win boxes, seems good.
> >To print to the os/2 box I assume you need to start LPD in tcpip settings.
> >Then in the axis port you define in win put the IP address of the OS/2 box
> >and the print queue. could be something like printerat192.168.1.2. I only
> >print from OS/2 and not to it with lpq so this is a bit of a guess.
> >
> >steve
> >
> >On Monday 06 May 2002 21:44, you wrote:
> >> OK here goes ....
> >>
> >> Start
> >> Settings
> >> Printers
> >> Add Printer wizard
> >> next
> >> local printer  (important NOT network printer!)
> >> next
> >> select the correct printer driver
> >> next
> >> now select the LPR Port from the list (* see below if you dont have one)
> >> Configure the port by putting the printserver's IP address in the field
> >> that says hostname or IP address and put the Queue name in the second
> >> field (should say queue name or printer name or something).
> >> next
> >> printer name
> >> default - yes or no
> >> next
> >> print test page (or not)
> >> finish
> >>
> >> Now I suspect the point you don't have is the LPR port appearing in the
> >> list of available ports. With windows NT / 2000 / XP and LPR printer
> >> port is available to be installed. with Windows 95 (and it seems 98) you
> >> have to add it yourself from a third party or shareware source. If you
> >> can't find one on the web, I have a VERY old one on diskette somewhere
> >> that I downloaded and installed for a customer when I was back in
> >> Adelaide, so probably 4 or 5 years
> >> ago, so you're probably better off looking on the Web for a more recent
> >> one !
> >> I searched the web and found several commercial products, I found also a
> >> reference to several win98 tools at
> >> http://www.longshine.de/support/frinhalt.htm
> >>
> >> You could try LCS-PS1+ from here.
>
> SNIP
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Daryl  Pilkington
>
> //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
>
>         email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
>           Mob: 0425-251-300
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date:  Tue, 07 May 2002 19:32:52 -0500
From:  tsqatchariot dot net dot au
Subject:  [os2genau] NFS + OS/2 network protocols ?

Hi All,

Situation:
Old dos 486 sitting under desk rusting, no cdrom, almost as old
pentium OS/2 work box, with cdrom.

Desire:
Install a minimal Freebsd, which is on cd, via peer lan onto rusting 486.

Problem:
Bsd uses NFS for lan resources, have file & print services installed
with Warp4 fixpak 12 on OS/2 box.

Can this work ?
Unsuccesful search on google, so besides Warp 4 installed tcpip
help library is there any other info on OS/2 & NFS anywhere ?

Is my face liable to get damaged by high velocity sh*t hitting
any nearby fans very quickly when attempting this procedure ?

Thanks for any wisdom,
Glenn.
-- 
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Glenn Thompson
tsqatchariot dot net dot au
OS/2 Users Group of South Australia
www.
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Date:  Tue, 07 May 2002 20:27:20 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] NFS + OS/2 network protocols ?

OS/2 NFS support and documentation comes with Warp Server for e-Business,
from what you said I think you are only running OS/2 Client ? In this case
you'll need to search for a third party product.

In principal, though it should work.

Cheers/2

Ed.

tsqatchariot dot net dot au wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Situation:
> Old dos 486 sitting under desk rusting, no cdrom, almost as old
> pentium OS/2 work box, with cdrom.
> 
> Desire:
> Install a minimal Freebsd, which is on cd, via peer lan onto rusting 486.
> 
> Problem:
> Bsd uses NFS for lan resources, have file & print services installed
> with Warp4 fixpak 12 on OS/2 box.
> 
> Can this work ?
> Unsuccesful search on google, so besides Warp 4 installed tcpip
> help library is there any other info on OS/2 & NFS anywhere ?
> 
> Is my face liable to get damaged by high velocity sh*t hitting
> any nearby fans very quickly when attempting this procedure ?
> 
> Thanks for any wisdom,
> Glenn.
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Glenn Thompson
> tsqatchariot dot net dot au
> OS/2 Users Group of South Australia
> www.
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> 

>  

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Date:  Tue, 07 May 2002 20:03:33 -0400
From:  "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] NFS + OS/2 network protocols ?

Ed and Glenn,
NFS actually ships with any OS/2 with TCPIP 4.3 which includes the various 
Convenience packs and of course eCS.

I have NFS working between an eCS machine as the NFS server running OS/2 
nfsd.exe, and a Mandrake 8.2 Linux box as a client.

The short answer is, check your os/2 drive to see if you have a nfsd.exe and if so, let 
me know and I'll see if I can remember how I set everything up :)

Regards,

Paul.

On Tue, 07 May 2002 20:27:20 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>OS/2 NFS support and documentation comes with Warp Server for e-Business,
>from what you said I think you are only running OS/2 Client ? In this case
>you'll need to search for a third party product.
>
>In principal, though it should work.
>
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.
>
>
>
>tsqatchariot dot net dot au wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Situation:
>> Old dos 486 sitting under desk rusting, no cdrom, almost as old
>> pentium OS/2 work box, with cdrom.
>> 
>> Desire:
>> Install a minimal Freebsd, which is on cd, via peer lan onto rusting 486.
>> 
>> Problem:
>> Bsd uses NFS for lan resources, have file & print services installed
>> with Warp4 fixpak 12 on OS/2 box.
>> 
>> Can this work ?
>> Unsuccesful search on google, so besides Warp 4 installed tcpip
>> help library is there any other info on OS/2 & NFS anywhere ?
>> 
>> Is my face liable to get damaged by high velocity sh*t hitting
>> any nearby fans very quickly when attempting this procedure ?
>> 
>> Thanks for any wisdom,
>> Glenn.
>> --
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> Glenn Thompson
>> tsqatchariot dot net dot au
>> OS/2 Users Group of South Australia
>> www.
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>
>>  
>

> 

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Date:  Tue, 07 May 2002 20:04:44 -0400
From:  "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Odin

G'day Graham,

Good to hear the new kernel solved your problem.  I don't drink champagne but the 
missus does :)

Regards,

Paul.

On Mon, 06 May 2002 22:37:15 +1100, Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:

>HI Paul
>
>yes found it and installed it without hiccups and the ODIN error message on boot 
>has disappeared!   do you drink champagne??  thanks!!
>
>
>On Mon, 06 May 2002 21:03:24 -0400, Paul Smedley wrote:
>
>>Graham,
>>Latest OS/2 Testcase kernel (which works great here) is at 
>>http://www.ecomstation dot org/testcase/w40426.zip
>>
>>Installation instructions (very rough) are:
>>
>>Go to command prompt
>>
>>Change to boot drive
>>
>>attrib -r -s -h os2krnl
>>
>>attrib -r -s -h os2ldr
>>
>>unzip x:\w40426.zip (where x:\ is the path where you saved the file)
>>
>>Answer 'Yes' to any prompt to overwrite files.
>>
>>Hope this helps,
>>
>>Paul.
>>
>>On Mon, 06 May 2002 20:19:31 +1100, Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist 
>wrote:
>>
>>>OK Paul
>>>
>>>I am always 'scared' to fiddle with my kernal files!  Before I used WarpUP Cd 
>which 
>>>was painless and through the IBM Web Browser interface....!!  so can you point 
>me 
>>>to the kernal files and perhaps suggest how I install them? I do have a 
>maintenance 
>>>partition so that I can install that way!
>>>
>>>
>>>On Mon, 06 May 2002 20:14:01 -0400, Paul Smedley wrote:
>>>
>>>>Graham,
>>>>Obviously your install of CP2 didn't install the Symbol files for the Kernel - 
>>>win32k.sys 
>>>>relies on the symbol files to know where to "hook in" to the kernel in order to be 
>>>able to 
>>>>load win32 .exe files as if they were native .exe files.
>>>>
>>>>Easiest way to fix this is to install the latest available kernel from IBM - I can 
>>>>recommend the latest Testcase kernel - works great here!
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Paul.
>>>>
>>>>On Mon, 06 May 2002 18:01:34 +1100, Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist 
>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I have used ODIN successfully and recently did a clean install on my 
>Thinkpad 
>>>>>using CP2. and then also did a 'clean' install of the latest Odin .wpi using 
>WarpIn 
>>>>>(latest release) and it seemed to install OK but when I reboot, a message says 
>>>>>
>>>>>"WIN32K - ODIN 32 support driver 
>>>>>failed to find symbolfile...
>>>>>
>>>>>and then I can run any of the installed windows programmes... 
>>>>
>>>>
>
>>>> 
>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Graham Norton
>>>Neurologist
>>>
>>>"when I need a hole in the head, I use Windows
>>>when I need a window on the brain, I use OS2!"
>>>
>>>

>>> 

>>
>>

>> 

>>
>
>Graham Norton
>Neurologist
>
>"when I need a hole in the head, I use Windows
>when I need a window on the brain, I use OS2!"
>
>

> 

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Date:  Tue, 07 May 2002 21:00:40 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] NFS + OS/2 network protocols ?

Glen said he is using Warp 4 FP12. this would still be at a TCPIP 4.0 level
I think.

Ed.

Paul Smedley wrote:
> 
> Ed and Glenn,
> NFS actually ships with any OS/2 with TCPIP 4.3 which includes the various
> Convenience packs and of course eCS.
> 
> I have NFS working between an eCS machine as the NFS server running OS/2
> nfsd.exe, and a Mandrake 8.2 Linux box as a client.
> 
> The short answer is, check your os/2 drive to see if you have a nfsd.exe and if so, let
> me know and I'll see if I can remember how I set everything up :)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul.
> 
> On Tue, 07 May 2002 20:27:20 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> >OS/2 NFS support and documentation comes with Warp Server for e-Business,
> >from what you said I think you are only running OS/2 Client ? In this case
> >you'll need to search for a third party product.
> >
> >In principal, though it should work.
> >
> >
> >Cheers/2
> >
> >Ed.
> >
> >
> >
> >tsqatchariot dot net dot au wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Situation:
> >> Old dos 486 sitting under desk rusting, no cdrom, almost as old
> >> pentium OS/2 work box, with cdrom.
> >>
> >> Desire:
> >> Install a minimal Freebsd, which is on cd, via peer lan onto rusting 486.
> >>
> >> Problem:
> >> Bsd uses NFS for lan resources, have file & print services installed
> >> with Warp4 fixpak 12 on OS/2 box.
> >>
> >> Can this work ?
> >> Unsuccesful search on google, so besides Warp 4 installed tcpip
> >> help library is there any other info on OS/2 & NFS anywhere ?
> >>
> >> Is my face liable to get damaged by high velocity sh*t hitting
> >> any nearby fans very quickly when attempting this procedure ?
> >>
> >> Thanks for any wisdom,
> >> Glenn.
> >> --
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------
> >> Glenn Thompson
> >> tsqatchariot dot net dot au
> >> OS/2 Users Group of South Australia
> >> www.
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >
> >>  
> >

> > 

> 

>  

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Date:  Tue, 07 May 2002 21:32:44 +1000 (EST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] MIME association PMmail/2???

On Mon, 06 May 2002 23:12:31 +0200, Kris Steenhaut wrote:

Hi Kris and all.

>
>
>John Angelico schreef:
>
>>
>> I endorse this wholeheartedly with one proviso - Russell has done wonders
>> to the install and it is no pain at all. There has just been a new release
>> of Ghostscript and GSView (see a recent VoiceNews).
>>
>> Then I would add that you can disable the plug-in from your browser,
>> install GSView in its place and be free of the Win-OS/2 stub which I
>> believe lurks under teh covers of the so-called OS/2 Acrobat reader.
>>
>
>I never managed to perform that trick properly. Could you please elaborate on the how to do?

1. In Netscape go to Help: About Plugins and see the DLL name for the
Acrobat reader
2. Shut down NS, go to the directory under X:\Netscape containing said DLL
and delete or rename it
(NB: this means that if you apply an update to NS plugins or NS whole
package this process must be repeated)
3. Go back to NS, and in Edit Preferences Navigator Applications add a
Helper for .PDF files and point it to GSView (select either to Ask or to
Download I think), then close Editing.

When you next click on a link to a PDF file voila! GSView will handle it OR
you will be asked what to do.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
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Date:  Tue, 07 May 2002 23:54:01 +1000 (EST)
From:  "David Forrester" <davidforatterrigal dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Working OS/2 Scroll mouse

On Mon, 6 May 2002 21:06:38 -0400, Michael Barrow wrote:

>
>Ed,
>A couple of months ago I also got one working by using the amouse driver. Mine
>is a logitech optical. (It's nice not to have to clean my ball anymore)
>
>http://www.os2site dot com/sw/drivers/mouse/amou20ub.zip

I'll back-up the AMouse driver recommendation.  It's home is at
http://www.nbsoftware.de/  The thing I like about it is that it sends
scroll messages rather than the cursor messages that the IBM drivers
and XMouse use.  And the XCenter plugin is also handy.

And on the topic of mice, I'm now in the possession of six mice and two
laptops with touchpads.  Plus,  use two different ones with the
computers at work.  So, I'll tell everyone what I think of them all. 
My apologies for a long post.  Hopefully it won't be to boring.

Honeywell mouse
Two buttons, and uses two wheels under it instead of a ball.  Always
been nice, but I think it's wearing out.  Currently used on the Win95
machine that the children use.  It's at least seven years old.

IBM Scrollpoint
I like this, but, the scrollpoint isn't well supported for horizontal
scrolling.  A good design point is that the hole the ball is in is
almost completely enclosed, so it doesn't get dirty easily.

Microsoft Mouse
The basic ergonomic two button mouse.  Probably the best thing MS has
ever sold.  I've been using the scroll-mouse version of this at work,
and that's good as well. 

A4Tech three button scroll mouse
This cost me nine dollars last year and I keep it on my desk at work to
plug into my laptop.  It's amazingly good for the price.

A4Tech five button optical two wheel (model WOP-35)
I bought this to use with my laptop at home as the "balled" mouse I had
been using was getting dirty to quickly (the laptop gets used on the
dining room table or on a coffee table in front of the TV).  The wheel
and its button works well.  The second wheel worked exactly the same as
the first wheel.  The fourth and fifth buttons worked with the AMouse
drivers, but, I could never find a good use for them.  Also, I didn't
find their positions comfortable to use.  Occasionally, the system
would hang, and I think it was something to do with these buttons, but,
I could never prove it.  I'm not using this now (my wife uses it with
her Win98 laptop and likes it) because there was a hardware conflict
with the touchpad in my laptop.  If I touched the touchpad, or its
buttons, while the mouse was plugged in, the cursor would go wild and
the only thing I could do was to use the keyboard to shutdown.  This
also happened under Win2000 on the same laptop.  This cost about $35
dollars late last year.

A4Tech Wireless optical 3D mouse (Model RFSOP-35)
This is the mouse I'm now using with my laptop at home.  It GREAT. 
It's features are:
- Radio wireless - there's a box that plugs into the PS/2 port and gets
it's power from there.  Unlike infrared wireless, you don't need line
of site between the mouse and the box.
- Two AAA NiMH rechargable batteries supplied.  And a cable that plugs
into the USB port to recharge the batteries.  This is a great feature,
as you don't need a separate power supply to charge the batteries. 
There's also a light in the mouse that flashes if the battery is low.  
- Turns itself off after a couple of minutes to save power.  This can
be annoying, but, clicking a button turns it back on.
- Optical so it works anywhere.  And, without the cord, using it on
your leg, or the cushion on the couch actually works.
- It feels good, the buttons and wheel feel good.
- The Windows drivers can display the battery charge.  But, to use them
I have to disable the touchpad.
Also, it's got a good shape and the buttons and the wheel all feel
good.  All this cost $45 last month at a computer fair.  It's a
bargain.

MS Optical scroll mouse
I've just been given a new computer at work (a 2GH P4 with 512MB memory
and a 40GB hardrive that's had only one partition - idiotic) with a
cheap MS optical mouse.  It's terrible.  It's a horrible shape, the
cord is stiff and gets in the way.  The wheel is notchy, really loud
and feels terrible.  

Touchpads
My Dell laptop has a touchpad.  And I like it.  It's great for on the
train.  And it's also great when I'm doing a lot of typing.  Then I can
use the touchpad without moving my hands from the keyboard.  But, a
mouse is a lot better when browsing.  The addition of a the scroll
wheel has made the difference more noticable. 

Anyone still there?  

To sum up: 
- Wheels are good
- Optical mice are great
- Cutting the cord is really good.
- A4Tech products are cheap but well made
- I'm using far to many mice

That's about it.  Hopefully someone will find what I've written useful.

--
David Forrester
davidforatterrigal dot net dot au
http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/

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