Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 329
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" <deadmail>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:00:10 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Tuesday 23 April 2002
 Number  329
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re: [os2genau] Voice Type State of the Art? : John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
2  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : glhudsoatattglobal dot net
3  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
4  Re: [os2genau] M$ Small Business Server (was Server news) : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
5  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : glhudsoatattglobal dot net
6  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Busine : Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
7  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Busine ss : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
8  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Busine : Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
9  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
10  [os2genau] Slippage : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
11  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
12  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
13  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>

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Date:  Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:05:03 +1000 (EST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Voice Type State of the Art?

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:31:08 +1000, voytek wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:14:39 +1000 (EST), John Angelico wrote:
>
>>In our voluntary capacity as members of a local historical society 
>
>did the OS/2 SIG change it's name ?
>
>g,d&r

Yep, and my family owns it too! <GD&RF>

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
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Date:  Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:36:57 -0700
From:  glhudsoatattglobal dot net
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business

I did some checking with Mensys about Warp4 and WSeb. They recommend all
customers buy eComStation. Mensys has some customers that are still
buying Warp4 or WSeb. Mensys still gets Warp4 and WSeb directly from
IBM. They are NOT scourging through surplus stores.

Glenn

> Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>  wrote:
> Yes if the item are an overstock. No if they have to order the
> packages themselves from Big Blue. Guys,
> please face it: Big Blue doesn't sell OS/2 anymore.
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Date:  Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:47:31 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business

Ed Durrant schreef:

> The reply is from Mr. Armando Flores, OS/2 Market manager, IBM Austin,
> Texas.

And that's the email Mr Flores Mr. Armando Flores sent to me this very day:

- this is going into the ridiculous, isn't it?=

> Onderwerp:
>              Re: OS/2
>       Datum:
>              Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:53:27 -0400
>          Van:
>
>         Aan:
>              Kris Steenhaut
>  Verwijzingen:
>              1
>
>
>
>
> Hi Kris,
>
> No I am not involved at all with OS/2.
> I used many years ago and I believed to be a product supoerior to Windows 3.1
> But these product have evolved and I am not sure where OS/2 is today.
>
> On the other hand I am trying to get a Websphere users group started in the
> Miami, Florida area.
>
> I would like to know where did you get that information, I just curios to learn
> how that got started
>
> Regards
> Armando Flores
>
>
>
> Quoting Kris Steenhaut :
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Sorry for the intrusion, but someone told me you are responsible for the
> > IBM
> > OS/2 marketing business, which I consider rather doubtfull.
> >
> > Right, wrong?
> >
> > --
> > Groeten uit Gent,
> >
> >    Kris
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:50:13 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] M$ Small Business Server (was Server news)

Whoops, Sorry - Read ALL the text Ed !

Ed.

voytek wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:13:40 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> >I call this "dumb user mode" although as far as I know there's no "advanced
> >user mode" but hey you admit yourself you payed $600 for the product so
> 
> Ed, pls see my mssg, I was FORWARDING a users' comment.
> 
> I would not purchase a MS operating system (except when I bought and IBM thinkpad with ms bundled...)
> 

>  

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Date:  Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:37:21 -0700
From:  glhudsoatattglobal dot net
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business

> Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> And that's the email Mr Flores Mr. Armando Flores sent to me this very day:
> 
> - this is going into the ridiculous, isn't it?=

Yes, it is ridiculous. What is it you are trying to prove.

IBM probably has more than one person named Armando Flores. Serenity
also deals with Mr Flores in Austin.

Yes, IBM does not promote OS/2. IBM has lots of products that they sell
but spend no money to promote.

But IBM DOES still sell OS/2 and they do offer OS/2 support for a fee.
Dealers like Mensys get OS/2 product direct from IBM.
Serenity pays IBM a fee for support.
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Date:  Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:41:04 +1000
From:  Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Busine

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> -----Original Message-----
> From:	glhudsoatattglobal dot net [SMTP:glhudsoatattglobal dot net]
> Sent:	Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:37 AM
> To:	os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
> Subject:	Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for
> e-Business
> 
> 
> > Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> > And that's the email Mr Flores Mr. Armando Flores sent to me this very
> day:
> > 
> > - this is going into the ridiculous, isn't it?=
> 
> Yes, it is ridiculous. What is it you are trying to prove.
> 
> IBM probably has more than one person named Armando Flores. Serenity
> also deals with Mr Flores in Austin.
> 
> Yes, IBM does not promote OS/2. IBM has lots of products that they sell
> but spend no money to promote.
> 
> But IBM DOES still sell OS/2 and they do offer OS/2 support for a fee.
> Dealers like Mensys get OS/2 product direct from IBM.
> Serenity pays IBM a fee for support.
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Date:  Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:26:08 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Busine ss

What is COOA?

On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:41:04 +1000, Trevor Clarke wrote:
>
>Don't you think this sort of stuff belongs on COOA?
>

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
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Date:  Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:48:25 +1000
From:  Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Busine

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> To:	os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
> Subject:	Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for
> e-Busine ss
> 
> What is COOA?
> 
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:41:04 +1000, Trevor Clarke wrote:
> >
> >Don't you think this sort of stuff belongs on COOA?
> >
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Daryl  Pilkington 
> 
> //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
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Date:  Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:06:24 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business

Is it possible there are two Amando Flores'  ???

Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> 
> Ed Durrant schreef:
> 
> > The reply is from Mr. Armando Flores, OS/2 Market manager, IBM Austin,
> > Texas.
> 
> And that's the email Mr Flores Mr. Armando Flores sent to me this very day:
> 
> - this is going into the ridiculous, isn't it?=
> 
> > Onderwerp:
> >              Re: OS/2
> >       Datum:
> >              Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:53:27 -0400
> >          Van:
> >
> >         Aan:
> >              Kris Steenhaut
> >  Verwijzingen:
> >              1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Kris,
> >
> > No I am not involved at all with OS/2.
> > I used many years ago and I believed to be a product supoerior to Windows 3.1
> > But these product have evolved and I am not sure where OS/2 is today.
> >
> > On the other hand I am trying to get a Websphere users group started in the
> > Miami, Florida area.
> >
> > I would like to know where did you get that information, I just curios to learn
> > how that got started
> >
> > Regards
> > Armando Flores
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Kris Steenhaut :
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Sorry for the intrusion, but someone told me you are responsible for the
> > > IBM
> > > OS/2 marketing business, which I consider rather doubtfull.
> > >
> > > Right, wrong?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Groeten uit Gent,
> > >
> > >    Kris
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> --
> Groeten uit Gent,
> 
>    Kris
> 

>  

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Date:  Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:13:46 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] Slippage

While not directly OS/2 related a lot of us have to work in mixed or total
Microsoft environments so I thought this new snippet might be of interest:

Recently at their WinHEC conference, Microsoft fleshed out their current
plans for new OS releases. The follow-on product to Windows XP code-named
"Longhorn" will now be released in 2004, and the new Windows .NET Server
product (the follow-on to Windows 2000 Server) won't be available now until
early 2003. Of course, there's been a great deal of slippage already of
these plans, so we can only guess when these products will *actually* come
out . . . . 

You can read more about this at
http://www.eweek dot com/article/0,3658,s=701&a=25620,00.asp

As far as I know, the termination of support date for Win NT server has not
been moved to correspond with these dates. Normally two versions of an OS
are supported by Microsoft - the Current (in the present case Win2000
Server) and the previous - presently Win NT 4 server. 

Ed.
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Date:  Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:14:30 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business

glhudsoatattglobal dot net schreef:

> > Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> > And that's the email Mr Flores Mr. Armando Flores sent to me this very day:
> >
> > - this is going into the ridiculous, isn't it?=
>
> Yes, it is ridiculous. What is it you are trying to prove.
>
> IBM probably has more than one person named Armando Flores. Serenity
> also deals with Mr Flores in Austin.
>

Probably? If this person exist, just present his email address. (btw: atibm dot net is
history for almost 2 years now.

>
> Yes, IBM does not promote OS/2. IBM has lots of products that they sell
> but spend no money to promote.
>
> But IBM DOES still sell OS/2 and they do offer OS/2 support for a fee.
> Dealers like Mensys get OS/2 product direct from IBM.

No they don't. Mensys catalogue is filled with non obtainable items, but the could
have some old copies on their shelf.

Nevertheless, Big Blue doesn't PROMOTE  OS/2 anymore, and as a matter of fact they
don't since 1996 already.

If you would want to prove otherwise, you've to do better than digging up old horses.

>
> Serenity pays IBM a fee for support.

That's exactly my point. The only way now  to purchase is to purchase an eCS copy, and
eCS is far from a huge success. Instead of making new users, we are loosing users.
Also because IBM is promoting now Linux to new users. For new users, OS/2 doesn't
exist anymore as far as IBM is concerned.

Face the facts!

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:25:33 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business

Ed Durrant schreef:

> Is it possible there are two Amando Flores'  ???

If you are claiming there is another one, why you just don't give his email address? Why
you just don't give us the link to this OFFICIAL <G> statement? ( Yes, I'm sure is was
OFFICIAL about 8 years ago).

>
> Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> >
> > Ed Durrant schreef:
> >
> > > The reply is from Mr. Armando Flores, OS/2 Market manager, IBM Austin,
> > > Texas.
> >
> > And that's the email Mr Flores Mr. Armando Flores sent to me this very day:
> >
> > - this is going into the ridiculous, isn't it?=
> >
> > > Onderwerp:
> > >              Re: OS/2
> > >       Datum:
> > >              Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:53:27 -0400
> > >          Van:
> > >
> > >         Aan:
> > >              Kris Steenhaut
> > >  Verwijzingen:
> > >              1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Kris,
> > >
> > > No I am not involved at all with OS/2.
> > > I used many years ago and I believed to be a product supoerior to Windows 3.1
> > > But these product have evolved and I am not sure where OS/2 is today.
> > >
> > > On the other hand I am trying to get a Websphere users group started in the
> > > Miami, Florida area.
> > >
> > > I would like to know where did you get that information, I just curios to learn
> > > how that got started
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Armando Flores
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Kris Steenhaut :
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for the intrusion, but someone told me you are responsible for the
> > > > IBM
> > > > OS/2 marketing business, which I consider rather doubtfull.
> > > >
> > > > Right, wrong?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Groeten uit Gent,
> > > >
> > > >    Kris
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Groeten uit Gent,
> >
> >    Kris
> >
> 
> >  
> 

>  

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:00:32
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business

** Reply to note from Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:06:24 +1000

> Is it possible there are two Amando Flores'  ???

like the old joke, potential and reality: "Dad, what's the difference
between...'

potentially, there are many/several/plenty A F;
and, potentially, they all work on OS/2 marketing,
and, potentially...

in reality, IBM's whois says there 1 only:

 Contact IBM
 Employee
 directory

Search results

1 person was found matching the name you specified.

A.V. (Armando) Flores

{the joke was a lot funnier, fwiw, albeit, NOT poli-corr., hence, I will not recount it here}

 >    
> Kris Steenhaut wrote: 
> >  
> > Ed Durrant schreef: 
> >  
> > > The reply is from Mr. Armando Flores, OS/2 Market manager, IBM Austin, 
> > > Texas. 
> >  
> > And that's the email Mr Flores Mr. Armando Flores sent to me this very day: 
> >  
> > - this is going into the ridiculous, isn't it?=

yep.

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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