Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 324
From: Digest <deadmail>
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:00:19 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Subjects for today
 
1  [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE] : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
2  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE] : Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
3  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE] : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
4  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE] : Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
5  [os2genau] free beer : voytek" <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
6  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE] : Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
7  [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location : Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
8  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location : Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
9  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location : John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
10  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location : Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
11  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location : Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
12  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location : Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
13  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
14  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location : Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
15  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE] : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
16  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE] : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
17  Re: [os2genau] free beer : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
18  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE] : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
19  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
20  [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
21  Re: [os2genau] free beer : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
22  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
23  Re: [os2genau] free beer : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
24  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
25  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
26  Re: [os2genau] free beer : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
27  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
28  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : voytek" <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>

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Date:  Wed, 17 Apr 2002 06:20:30 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE]

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Is anyone interesting in organising a similar event to this "small
Warpstock" in Australia ?? Perhaps over a long weekend sometime ? Perhaps a
family type event somewhere suitable, Where the non-os2-interested members
of the family have something to do while those "os2-ers" chew the rag ??

Again the concept on a non-commercial type large club meeting rather than an
expo.

What do you all think ??

I'm willing to put together a couple of presentations and I'm sure others
are as well.

Cheers/2

Ed.
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From: madodelatptdprolog dot net
Reply-to: "Filip Molcan" <molcanfatseznam.cz>
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:02:30 -0400
To: newsatos2voice dot org
Subject: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE

From: "Filip Molcan" <molcanfatseznam.cz> 

We have completely new site for this event. 

Warpstock Czech Republic 2002 is a small event for OS/2 and ECS users from
Czech republic and other places... You can come to this event to chat with
other people etc. 

For more information, visit http://www.os2.cz/warpstock

  -> URL: http://www.os2.cz/warpstock

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:59:21 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE]

Hi Ed

>Is anyone interesting in organising a similar event to this "small
>Warpstock" in Australia ?? Perhaps over a long weekend sometime ? Perhaps a
>family type event somewhere suitable, Where the non-os2-interested members
>of the family have something to do while those "os2-ers" chew the rag ??

I'm interested, and willing to provide some hardware etc if
its in Melbourne.

>I'm willing to put together a couple of presentations and I'm sure others
>are as well.

I could demo InJoy Connect, and InJoy Firewall, or how to
setup an OS/2 (eCS) based small office Internet server.

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 06:56:01 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE]

Hi Ian, and others,

  Well you're the first to respond Ian. I was also thinking Melbourne for
geographic reasons if no other. Lets see how many other people and
interested AND WILLING TO PUT SOME WORK IN. I guess we're realistically
going to need a group of at least 6 people to get this on the road.

  Any ideas for a location - needs to be somewhere with conference/demo for
the meet plus have other attractions for the rest of the family - or that
would be ideal.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Ian Manners wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed
> 
> >Is anyone interesting in organising a similar event to this "small
> >Warpstock" in Australia ?? Perhaps over a long weekend sometime ? Perhaps a
> >family type event somewhere suitable, Where the non-os2-interested members
> >of the family have something to do while those "os2-ers" chew the rag ??
> 
> I'm interested, and willing to provide some hardware etc if
> its in Melbourne.
> 
> >I'm willing to put together a couple of presentations and I'm sure others
> >are as well.
> 
> I could demo InJoy Connect, and InJoy Firewall, or how to
> setup an OS/2 (eCS) based small office Internet server.
> 
> Cheers
> Ian B Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
> 

>  

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:55:36 +1000
From:  Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE]

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I think it would be a great opportunity to do some demo's of "OS/2 today"
including Ecs.  And, even if it were a Sunday barbie affair, an invite to
corporate users such as some IT folk from Qantas, Vicroads or anyone else
probably wouldn't go astray to familiarise them with what the platform can
actually do now, which they probably never turned there minds to because
their use has been restricted to the same apps/config for a number of years.

Did anybody in this list take part in the VPC beta?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Ed Durrant [SMTP:edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au]
> Sent:	Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:21 AM
> To:	os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
> Subject:	[os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE]
> 
> Is anyone interesting in organising a similar event to this "small
> Warpstock" in Australia ?? Perhaps over a long weekend sometime ? Perhaps
> a
> family type event somewhere suitable, Where the non-os2-interested members
> of the family have something to do while those "os2-ers" chew the rag ??
> 
> Again the concept on a non-commercial type large club meeting rather than
> an
> expo.
> 
> What do you all think ??
> 
> I'm willing to put together a couple of presentations and I'm sure others
> are as well.
> 
> Cheers/2
> 
> Ed. << Message: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE >> 

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:00:13 +1000
From:  "voytek" <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] free beer

Ed, re your comments on OS/2, IBM, etc:

you clearly have not attempted to purchase a copy of OS/2 in Australia, in the last year, or, in fact, in the last few years.

'OS/2 Warp 4' as a product has long since dissapeared from price lists of Alstom, Express Data and Tech Pack (IBM's 
distributors); over the last few weeks I've tried to order, for a large customer, 20 copies of Warp4 licences, as upgrade 
from 2.1, do you think I can ? One of the distributors offered me 20 copies of 'Smartsuite for OS/2 Warp' instead, saying, 
'that's the only OS/2 Warp we have, your customer will have to use that, that's all they can get.

I can appreciate your good intentions, but face the facts...

Having said that, I still use OS/2, and I am to keep using it for a while yet: everything still works, they way I want it to 
work, whatever that might be at a given time. And, everything works at once, just as it always did, with OS/2. And, as 
far as I'm concerned, my OS/2 apps STILL do better work for me, after all these years.

(I'm pleased to say, I resolved my SCSI/RSJ issues, so, now, on a single 2940UWP, I have wide internal hard drives, 
narrow internal devices: tape/CD, external narrow devices: CDRW/scanner, everything works at once, scanner, cd/rw, 
cd, tape, RC56 Bovine, and, no lag, instant keyboard response: how can I not love it ? )

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:57:59 +0900
From:  Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE]

In <3CBDE161.BDF14F63atbigpond dot net dot au>, on 04/18/2002 
   at 06:56 AM, Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> said:

>Hi Ian, and others,

>  Any ideas for a location - needs to be somewhere with conference/demo
>for the meet plus have other attractions for the rest of the family - or
>that would be ideal.

I would love to attend, but alas and alac being in Perth (Milliways ;-))
it's out of the question.  However, Wodonga is not only more central to
the 2 main population centres in Oz (and I assume the main OS/2-eCS user
base), it's also the location of the Oz distributor of eCS - Orion. 
Perhaps they would also become involved.

Just an idea.
Cheers
Kev Downes
=========================
Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!  
We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
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and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:18:50 +0900
From:  Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location

Hi all

Does anyone know if I can locate my SWAPPER.DAT on a RAMFS drive?  I
already use RAMFS to create a ram drive to point my TEMP4DOS, TEMP and
TMP environment variables at.  It would surely make a fast swap file.  I
have 320Meg of physical RAM installed, and my swap file has never, ever
grown above 6Meg, and usually doesn't break the default 2Meg.  I guess it
comes down to the order in which everything loads at boot time, but I
don't know that order or whether or not I can influence that order.

Thanx all
Kev Downes
=========================
Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!  
We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
"Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:26:55 +1000
From:  Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location

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Kev,

I'd be interested to see if you got any performance benefit in doing this.
I would have thought that the swap file would not be written to unless the
RAM resources were already exceeded.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Kev Downes [SMTP:kdownesatiinet dot net dot au]
> Sent:	Thursday, April 18, 2002 4:19 PM
> To:	os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
> Subject:	[os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location
> 
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Does anyone know if I can locate my SWAPPER.DAT on a RAMFS drive?  I
> already use RAMFS to create a ram drive to point my TEMP4DOS, TEMP and
> TMP environment variables at.  It would surely make a fast swap file.  I
> have 320Meg of physical RAM installed, and my swap file has never, ever
> grown above 6Meg, and usually doesn't break the default 2Meg.  I guess it
> comes down to the order in which everything loads at boot time, but I
> don't know that order or whether or not I can influence that order.
> 
> Thanx all
> Kev Downes
=========================
> Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
> Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!  
> We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
> "Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
> and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
> nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:51:59 +1000 (EST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:26:55 +1000, Trevor Clarke wrote:

Hi guys.

As I read the RAMFS docs, that would be a dangerous proposition, because
normally when RAMFS fills memory, the Swapper would be used to carry the
overflow as per normal OS/2 behaviour.

But if you are pointing Swapper.Dat at the RAM drive you will create an
infinite loop where RAMFS fills, Swapper takes some images of real RAM,
then tries to put this to RAMFS which gets bigger then Swapper takes more
into RAMFS, then RAMFS expands again... you get the picture?

And what follows is a pretty rapid lockup of your machine....

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
____________________________________________

>Kev,
>
>I'd be interested to see if you got any performance benefit in doing this.
>I would have thought that the swap file would not be written to unless the
>RAM resources were already exceeded.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:	Kev Downes [SMTP:kdownesatiinet dot net dot au]
>> Sent:	Thursday, April 18, 2002 4:19 PM
>> To:	os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
>> Subject:	[os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Does anyone know if I can locate my SWAPPER.DAT on a RAMFS drive?  I
>> already use RAMFS to create a ram drive to point my TEMP4DOS, TEMP and
>> TMP environment variables at.  It would surely make a fast swap file.  I
>> have 320Meg of physical RAM installed, and my swap file has never, ever
>> grown above 6Meg, and usually doesn't break the default 2Meg.  I guess it
>> comes down to the order in which everything loads at boot time, but I
>> don't know that order or whether or not I can influence that order.
>> 
>> Thanx all
>> Kev Downes
>=========================
>> Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
>> Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!  
>> We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
>=========================
>> "Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
>> and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
>> nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
>=========================
>> 
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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:52:46 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location

Hi Kev

>Does anyone know if I can locate my SWAPPER.DAT on a RAMFS drive?  I
>...<
>grown above 6Meg, and usually doesn't break the default 2Meg.  I guess it

I would leave it on its default drive, its not worth the effort.
You could even try turning off the swapper all together.
I use 512Mb RAM, and turned my swapper off eons ago.

Change your MEMMAN setting in config.sys to :-
MEMMAN=NoSwap, protect

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:53:09 +1000
From:  Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location

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Ahhh....so THATS how windows virtual memory works!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Angelico [SMTP:talldadatkepl dot com dot au]
> Sent:	Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:52 PM
> To:	os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
> Subject:	Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location
> 
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:26:55 +1000, Trevor Clarke wrote:
> 
> Hi guys.
> 
> As I read the RAMFS docs, that would be a dangerous proposition, because
> normally when RAMFS fills memory, the Swapper would be used to carry the
> overflow as per normal OS/2 behaviour.
> 
> But if you are pointing Swapper.Dat at the RAM drive you will create an
> infinite loop where RAMFS fills, Swapper takes some images of real RAM,
> then tries to put this to RAMFS which gets bigger then Swapper takes more
> into RAMFS, then RAMFS expands again... you get the picture?
> 
> And what follows is a pretty rapid lockup of your machine....
> 
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
> ____________________________________________
> 
>  
> >Kev,
> >
> >I'd be interested to see if you got any performance benefit in doing
> this.
> >I would have thought that the swap file would not be written to unless
> the
> >RAM resources were already exceeded.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:	Kev Downes [SMTP:kdownesatiinet dot net dot au]
> >> Sent:	Thursday, April 18, 2002 4:19 PM
> >> To:	os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
> >> Subject:	[os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hi all
> >> 
> >> Does anyone know if I can locate my SWAPPER.DAT on a RAMFS drive?  I
> >> already use RAMFS to create a ram drive to point my TEMP4DOS, TEMP and
> >> TMP environment variables at.  It would surely make a fast swap file.
> I
> >> have 320Meg of physical RAM installed, and my swap file has never, ever
> >> grown above 6Meg, and usually doesn't break the default 2Meg.  I guess
> it
> >> comes down to the order in which everything loads at boot time, but I
> >> don't know that order or whether or not I can influence that order.
> >> 
> >> Thanx all
> >> Kev Downes
> >=========================
> >> Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
> >> Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!  
> >> We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
> >=========================
> >> "Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
> >> and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world
> and
> >> nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
> >=========================
> >> 
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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:30:18
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location

** Reply to note from Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au> Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:18:50 +0900

> Does anyone know if I can locate my SWAPPER.DAT on a RAMFS drive?  I 
> already use RAMFS to create a ram drive to point my TEMP4DOS, TEMP and 
> TMP environment variables at.  It would surely make a fast swap file.  I 
> have 320Meg of physical RAM installed, and my swap file has never, ever 
> grown above 6Meg, and usually doesn't break the default 2Meg.  I guess it 
> comes down to the order in which everything loads at boot time, but I 
> don't know that order or whether or not I can influence that order.

yes, you could....

though, I suspect, the result might not be what you expect...

kinda reminds me when I re-fed into the wringer the shirt that I just run
through the wringer, for another pass, you know, to wring it some more....

no, it didn't have the desired effect, the wringer looped and jammed, and my
shirt got ripped...

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:38:35 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location

Kev Downes schreef:

> Hi all
>
> Does anyone know if I can locate my SWAPPER.DAT on a RAMFS drive?  I
> already use RAMFS to create a ram drive to point my TEMP4DOS, TEMP and
> TMP environment variables at.  It would surely make a fast swap file.

My suggestion is to have some some thinking.

What is swapper.dat meant for? Answer: for systems with not enough of physical memory.

What is a RamFS station? Answer: a diskstation made of physical memory (virtual
station).

So, it's absolutely senseless to point your swapper.dat to a RamFS station, as
swapper.dat only will come to live when all physical memory has been allocated to the
different programs in use.

>  I
> have 320Meg of physical RAM installed, and my swap file has never, ever

The good answer then is: you don't need a swapper.dat.

In order to get rid of the swapper, alter your config.sys to:

MEMMAN=NoSWAP,PROTECT

If you don't do graphics, (Impos/2, Pmview, sane ...) your 320 Mb is plenty of enough.
If you do the graphics, I would advise to add memory up to 512 Mb. Although the 320 Mb
is probably enough already.

I'm working more than 2 years now without the swapper thing, and sure the system works
snappier without.

(that's why, when memory was utterly cheap, I've put 768 Mb in).

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:01:33 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location

>I use 512Mb RAM, and turned my swapper off eons ago.

Oops, its the max I could put in my Netfinity, 768Mb's :-)
The comkal server is the one with 512Mb's

If you want to check, use memsys or similar utility
to check your RAM usage before disabling your
swap file altogether.

I normally use at most about 250Mb's with several
process's running, and tops at about 500-600Mb's
when I start messing with graphics and/or editing
large wave files.

250Mb's ram is with the following loaded

Warpamp
PMMail (2 copies)
IBMWeb/2
PMView
SysInfo
ENSFtp
StarOffice, or Lotus Smartsuite.

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:05:57 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE]

OK, Trevor  you've just volenteered to help !!

 Seriously we need a core to make it work. A "Barbie" (the cooking style,
not the doll) sounds very Aussie, so hell why not !  I was thinking of it
being over at least two days, as if it's held in the Melbourne area, some of
us need time to travel and return (I live in Sydney, I suspect others would
be coming from Adelaide) so to travel for just one day, would be a bit hard.
Hence my idea of a long (read 4 day) weekend.

 Yes I have used both the VPC/2 and VPC/Win products. I have now bought the
GA version of VPC/2 two days ago via the web and hope to install it on a new
(Aurora CP2) system that I am building, probably by the end of the weekend.

 Why do you have some VPC related question that I can possibly answer ??

Cheers/2

Ed.    

Trevor Clarke wrote:
> 
> I think it would be a great opportunity to do some demo's of "OS/2 today"
> including Ecs.  And, even if it were a Sunday barbie affair, an invite to
> corporate users such as some IT folk from Qantas, Vicroads or anyone else
> probably wouldn't go astray to familiarise them with what the platform can
> actually do now, which they probably never turned there minds to because
> their use has been restricted to the same apps/config for a number of years.
> 
> Did anybody in this list take part in the VPC beta?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ed Durrant [SMTP:edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:21 AM
> > To:   os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
> > Subject:      [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE]
> >
> > Is anyone interesting in organising a similar event to this "small
> > Warpstock" in Australia ?? Perhaps over a long weekend sometime ? Perhaps
> > a
> > family type event somewhere suitable, Where the non-os2-interested members
> > of the family have something to do while those "os2-ers" chew the rag ??
> >
> > Again the concept on a non-commercial type large club meeting rather than
> > an
> > expo.
> >
> > What do you all think ??
> >
> > I'm willing to put together a couple of presentations and I'm sure others
> > are as well.
> >
> > Cheers/2
> >
> > Ed. << Message: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE >>
> 
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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:09:28 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE]

whoops sorry forgot to comment on inviting other along. It'll be up to the
group of organisers I guess but I have no objection. The no-commercial
involvement point I was pressing, was that we shouldn't have to cater for
companies coming and trying to sell their solutions. setting up stalls and
entering into contracts for what they need to run their stalls etc. Hey if
they want to come along and join in, that's great as well, IMHO anyone who
is interested in OS/2 that can come along should.

Cheers/2
Ed. 

Trevor Clarke wrote:
> 
> I think it would be a great opportunity to do some demo's of "OS/2 today"
> including Ecs.  And, even if it were a Sunday barbie affair, an invite to
> corporate users such as some IT folk from Qantas, Vicroads or anyone else
> probably wouldn't go astray to familiarise them with what the platform can
> actually do now, which they probably never turned there minds to because
> their use has been restricted to the same apps/config for a number of years.
> 
> Did anybody in this list take part in the VPC beta?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ed Durrant [SMTP:edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:21 AM
> > To:   os2genauatos2 dot org dot au
> > Subject:      [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE]
> >
> > Is anyone interesting in organising a similar event to this "small
> > Warpstock" in Australia ?? Perhaps over a long weekend sometime ? Perhaps
> > a
> > family type event somewhere suitable, Where the non-os2-interested members
> > of the family have something to do while those "os2-ers" chew the rag ??
> >
> > Again the concept on a non-commercial type large club meeting rather than
> > an
> > expo.
> >
> > What do you all think ??
> >
> > I'm willing to put together a couple of presentations and I'm sure others
> > are as well.
> >
> > Cheers/2
> >
> > Ed. << Message: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE >>
> 
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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:16:53 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] free beer

I'm not sure which of my comments you refer to, but leaving that aside, I
posted a web reference here a while ago of how to order via the web. I think
for Australia the products are actually shipped out of Singapore, didn't it
work ?

Cheers/2
Ed. 

voytek wrote:
> 
> Ed, re your comments on OS/2, IBM, etc:
> 
> you clearly have not attempted to purchase a copy of OS/2 in Australia, in the last year, or, in fact, in the last few years.
> 
> 'OS/2 Warp 4' as a product has long since dissapeared from price lists of Alstom, Express Data and Tech Pack (IBM's
> distributors); over the last few weeks I've tried to order, for a large customer, 20 copies of Warp4 licences, as upgrade
> from 2.1, do you think I can ? One of the distributors offered me 20 copies of 'Smartsuite for OS/2 Warp' instead, saying,
> 'that's the only OS/2 Warp we have, your customer will have to use that, that's all they can get.
> 
> I can appreciate your good intentions, but face the facts...
> 
> Having said that, I still use OS/2, and I am to keep using it for a while yet: everything still works, they way I want it to
> work, whatever that might be at a given time. And, everything works at once, just as it always did, with OS/2. And, as
> far as I'm concerned, my OS/2 apps STILL do better work for me, after all these years.
> 
> (I'm pleased to say, I resolved my SCSI/RSJ issues, so, now, on a single 2940UWP, I have wide internal hard drives,
> narrow internal devices: tape/CD, external narrow devices: CDRW/scanner, everything works at once, scanner, cd/rw,
> cd, tape, RC56 Bovine, and, no lag, instant keyboard response: how can I not love it ? )
> 

>  

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:25:48 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] [Fwd: [VOICENWS] Warpstock Czech Republic UPDATE]

Hi Kev,

  We need to make it attractive enough for you to come across. I know it's
now  more expensive since the demise of two airlines but we need to be able
to put something on so that you say you just have to make the trip !!

  Actually I think Mark from Orion can manage the drive down to Melbourne -
crikey, if not I'll pick him up on the way through from Sydney !

  My experience is thatb the Adelaide OS/2 Group is more active than the
Sydney Group, so perhaps we should have it between Melbourne and Adelaide -
say Ballarat ?? No that's not a good idea, then I've got further to drive !!
 
Cheers/2

Ed.

Kev Downes wrote:
> 
> In <3CBDE161.BDF14F63atbigpond dot net dot au>, on 04/18/2002
>    at 06:56 AM, Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au> said:
> 
> >Hi Ian, and others,
> 
> >  Any ideas for a location - needs to be somewhere with conference/demo
> >for the meet plus have other attractions for the rest of the family - or
> >that would be ideal.
> 
> I would love to attend, but alas and alac being in Perth (Milliways ;-))
> it's out of the question.  However, Wodonga is not only more central to
> the 2 main population centres in Oz (and I assume the main OS/2-eCS user
> base), it's also the location of the Oz distributor of eCS - Orion.
> Perhaps they would also become involved.
> 
> Just an idea.
> Cheers
> Kev Downes
=========================
> Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
> Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
> We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
> "Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
> and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
> nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
> 

>  

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:28:52 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] SWAPPER.DAT location

Hi kev,

If you've got enough memory you don't even need a swapper.dat !!

Putting the swapper.dat in a Ram drive is not going to work, imagine what
happens when an application runs out of physical RAM, it goes to the
Swapper.dat to get virtual memory ... HELLO ! ... no more disk space for
Swapper.dat to expand (we just said all physical memory was full).

Nice idea, but, no.

Cheers/2

Ed. 

Kev Downes wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Does anyone know if I can locate my SWAPPER.DAT on a RAMFS drive?  I
> already use RAMFS to create a ram drive to point my TEMP4DOS, TEMP and
> TMP environment variables at.  It would surely make a fast swap file.  I
> have 320Meg of physical RAM installed, and my swap file has never, ever
> grown above 6Meg, and usually doesn't break the default 2Meg.  I guess it
> comes down to the order in which everything loads at boot time, but I
> don't know that order or whether or not I can influence that order.
> 
> Thanx all
> Kev Downes
=========================
> Kev Downes <kdownesatiinet dot net dot au>
> Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO!
> We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation.
=========================
> "Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything;
> and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and
> nothing of himself."             Blaise Pascal
=========================
> 

>  

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:54:00 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business

For Voytek's benefit and others, it seems the easiest way to purchase ANY
IBM operating system (not only OS/2 but also AIX, Z/OS, OS/400) in Australia
is across the web.

The IBM WebShop is simply very restricted in what it lists. For OS/2 simply
go to the address below and press the Buy Now button

http://www-3.ibm dot com/software/os/warp/

This is an order through IBM US but the product will be shipped from the
nearest distribution centre. In the case of Australia, this is Singapore.

These are retail sales of course. For dealers, you're going to have to use
one of the contact methods listed on this page to see what can be done. In
the case of additional licences, these are probably purchase-able over the
wb and delivered via E-mail (it's only a registered number on a piece of
paper after all).

Cheers/2
Ed.
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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:53:40 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] free beer

Ed Durrant schreef:

> I'm not sure which of my comments you refer to, but leaving that aside,

You really don't want to believe it, do you? No matter the active but obsolete links, Big Blue doesn't sell OS/2 anymore. It's
finished. Please, try to face it.

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:58:13 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business

Sorry the second paragraph below should have read the IBM Australia website
is very resticted ...

Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> For Voytek's benefit and others, it seems the easiest way to purchase ANY
> IBM operating system (not only OS/2 but also AIX, Z/OS, OS/400) in Australia
> is across the web.
> 
> The IBM WebShop is simply very restricted in what it lists. For OS/2 simply
> go to the address below and press the Buy Now button
> 
> http://www-3.ibm dot com/software/os/warp/
> 
> This is an order through IBM US but the product will be shipped from the
> nearest distribution centre. In the case of Australia, this is Singapore.
> 
> These are retail sales of course. For dealers, you're going to have to use
> one of the contact methods listed on this page to see what can be done. In
> the case of additional licences, these are probably purchase-able over the
> wb and delivered via E-mail (it's only a registered number on a piece of
> paper after all).
> 
> Cheers/2
> Ed.

>  

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:10:53 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] free beer

Kris folow the LINK !!!  The product is displayed for sale .....

Kris Steenhaut wrote:
> 
> Ed Durrant schreef:
> 
> > I'm not sure which of my comments you refer to, but leaving that aside,
> 
> You really don't want to believe it, do you? No matter the active but obsolete links, Big Blue doesn't sell OS/2 anymore. It's
> finished. Please, try to face it.
> 
> --
> Groeten uit Gent,
> 
>    Kris
> 

>  

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:08:06 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business

Ed Durrant schreef:

> The IBM WebShop is simply very restricted in what it lists. For OS/2 simply
> go to the address below and press the Buy Now button
>
> http://www-3.ibm dot com/software/os/warp/
>
> This is an order through IBM US but the product will be shipped from the
> nearest distribution centre. In the case of Australia, this is Singapore.
>

Why don't you try it out yourself? Then at least you'll see for yourself it won't work
out.

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:36:50 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business

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Well Kris,
  I tried it out AND IT WORKS - Just need your Credit card number to pay for
it (hic).  I can select it and add it to my "shopping cart - as you can see
below - got to checkout and it want my payment details etc. I decided not to
go any further than this.

  Now do YOU believe ME ???

(Graphic attached)

Ed.
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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:39:27 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] free beer

Ed Durrant schreef:

> Kris folow the LINK !!!  The product is displayed for sale .....
>

I know. And all you will get is a piece of paper (at best ). I'm not even sure you can get that piece of paper now.

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:24:36 +0200
From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautathccnet.nl>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business

Ed Durrant schreef:

> Well Kris,
>   I tried it out AND IT WORKS - Just need your Credit card number to pay for
> it (hic).  I can select it and add it to my "shopping cart - as you can see
> below - got to checkout and it want my payment details etc. I decided not to
> go any further than this.
>
>   Now do YOU believe ME ???
>
> (Graphic attached)

Is I told already, I do know all that. Only, you won't get a copy, even after going
further than "that".

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris

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Date:  Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:59:52 +1000
From:  "voytek" <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:54:00 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>For Voytek's benefit and others, it seems the easiest way to purchase ANY
>IBM operating system (not only OS/2 but also AIX, Z/OS, OS/400) in Australia
>is across the web.

Ed, 

I know a thing or three, if not more, about IBM products, and how they're distributed.

FWIW, in the past, I have produced Blue Heeler (the only ever Australian) OS/2 application catalogue, some time back about '95,
and, had a joint marketing campaign with IBM. I even made presentations to IBM tech staff at Penant Hills.

but, that was in the last century, in fact last Millenium, Ed.

and, now, your web site will tell you:

--------
Unfortunately, the product number you entered cannot be found. Please check the number and try again or enter another number. 
If you are unable to locate the product you wish to purchase, try searching the site or feel free to browse through products and promotions on the site. 

To place an order by phone, please call 1800 289 426 to speak to an ibm dot com representative. 
 --------

though, I'd imagine, you still can get OS/2 in USA, not sure about Europe, we bought a couple copies maybe a year ago, a German and a French ones, theyve 
ended up costing about AUD800 each, if I recall correctly

---------------

as a funny aside, I've had a call today from an end user, who wanted to purchase a copy of OS/2;
he told me he had the APC CD, but, wanted to buy 'full copy', and, didn't mind to pay A$300 or so.

I asked him why, he said, for historical reasons, and, becasue it's such a good system
I said, can I ask you a stupid Q, why didn't you buy a copy in 95 when I 1st came out;
he said, he had it demoed on a 4MB PC and he thought it was too slow.

anyhow, if he calls me again, I'll tell him he can buy it on the web

the only thing we can potentially still buy,is the Software Choice subs; we ended up buying all the copies Tech Pac and Sealcorp were ditching some time ago,
not even sure if we can get more once they're sold out.

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