Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 316
From: Digest <deadmail>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" <deadmail>
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 00:00:07 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Monday 08 April 2002
 Number  316
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re: [os2genau] CD Burning question. : Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynoratoptushome dot com dot au>
2  Re: [os2genau] New Injoy Betas : Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
3  [os2genau] Ali M1647 chipsets : Gavin Miller" <drumextremeatimpulse dot net dot au>
4  [os2genau] Ali M1647 chipsets update : Gavin Miller" <drumextremeatimpulse dot net dot au>
5  Re: [os2genau] Printers and drivers : brianbatkdfisher dot com dot au
6  Re: [os2genau] New Injoy Betas : Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
7  Re: [os2genau] New Injoy Betas : Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
8  Re: [os2genau] New Injoy Betas : Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
9  Re: [os2genau] CD Burning question. : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
10  Re: [os2genau] CD Burning question. : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
11  Re: [os2genau] New Injoy Betas : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
12  Re: [os2genau] Ali M1647 chipsets update : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>

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Date:  Mon, 08 Apr 2002 07:25:35 +1000 (EST)
From:  "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynoratoptushome dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] CD Burning question.

On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:34:07 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

> Thanks Bob,
> 
>   There's a couple of points that conflict with your suggestion though:
> 
> 1. I CAN read the CD in my DVD/CD Drive, only not in the CD Burner. If it
> was
>    a CDFS driver type problem, I would have expected both drives not to be
>    able to read it.

Not necessarily.  I suggest you try JJScdrom.
In config.sys I am using:- 
DEVICE=D:\OS2\BOOT\JJSCDROM.DMD /V /F

> 2. I can see the same problem on Daryl's PC and that's a completely
> different
>    (SCSI rather than IDE based) system, with this CD.

Scsi is worse than IDE based cd rom systems for multi-session problems.
Which is why I was so desperate to try the early JJScdrom offerings.
My system is IDE and scsi mix.

> 3. Other Burnt CD's (created on the same system) are readable in both the 
>    Burner and DVD drives. These CDs have far less than 650MB on them
> however.

> For the record, I am not using JJSCDROM.

I suggest you try it out.

As I said earlier, I cannot remember all the symptoms or conditions
of earlier and pre JJScdrom use, but it is absolutely essential
on my system.  Without JJScdrom the ONLY cd drive that can consistently
see multi-session cd's is my IDE dvd drive. The 2 scsi cd readers cannot
and sometimes the scsi burner cannot either. JJScdrom enables this function
and is now fully working on all cd devices, wether scsi or IDE.

I also suspect that some aspect of the problem is due to being coded
incorrectly into the cd drive hardware itself.
Even different brands of scsi cd drives behave differently.
I think that JJScdrom is a software fix for these types of problems.

BobT.
 
> "Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Ed.
> > 
> > No, not seen this in os/2.
> > I have seen something similar in win98 and win2000 where another
> > program installed a file system driver that interfered with the
> > cd/dvd readers and burner, and none could read the burnt cd disk
> > until the system was rebooted.
> > 
> > At a guess (not using CDrecord/2, I use RSJ) you may have a driver
> > conflicting with your cdfs.ifs driver.
> > 
> > The most notable possibility is if you are using an OLD version
> > of JJScdrom.dmd as a replacement for the IBM os2cdrom.dmd.
> > The current JJScdrom is very good.
> > 
> > In one of the earlier versions, I did have some kind of buggy
> > and weird problems but I cannot remember the actual details.
> > Too long ago, mate.  :-)
> > 
> > Another possibility is that the burner SHOULD be using the os2cdrom.dmd
> > when being used a reader and is having a problem.  In this case you MAY
> > find that JJScdrom.dmd will be a better choice.
> > 
> > It used to be the case that the IBM supplied drivers where not
> > capable of displaying more than one session on a cd disk.
> > Hence, the creation of the JJScdrom software to replace IBM.
> > 
> > JJScdrom is available from hobbes, of course.
> > 
> > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > BobT.
> > 
> > On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 21:47:39 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> > 
> > > I have found an interesting problem and I wonder if anyone else has seen
> > > this.
> > >
> > > I write my Data CD-Roms using CDRECORD/2 in multi-session mode, so that if
> > > necessary, I can add data to them after the initial burn.
> > >
> > > Recently, I have had the problem that the addition of the 2nd session wont
> > > work. Upon investigation, I found the CD Burner couldn't read the CD
> > > although
> > > other "normal" CD or DVD drives could. I initially thought this was a
> > > physical
> > > l problem caused by the addition of a label on the CD however to prove
> > > whether this is so or not. I have just re burnt the same image and not
> > > attached
> > > any label. Guess what, same problem !
> > >
> > > I think what I have identified is a basic flaw in the design of my (Ricoh)
> > > and possibly other CD-Burmers, in so much as they can burn up to 700 MB onto
> > > a (80 minute) CD-R but if the initial session of a multi-session CD, such as
> > > this one is greater than 650MB, it can't read it, and hence cannot add
> > > session
> > > number two.
> > >
> > > Has anyone else seen this ??
> > >
> > > Cheers/2
> > >
> > > Ed.

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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Date:  Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:43:19
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] New Injoy Betas

** Reply to note from "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au> Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:24:13 +1100

> Just to let everyone know that there are new betas of both the Injoy dialer and firewall at  
> http://www.fx.dk/beta

Paul,

do you know if there is a mirror, finding it next to impossible to d/l

Pluto came through OK, not, the other stuff

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Mon, 08 Apr 2002 09:57:21 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextremeatimpulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] Ali M1647 chipsets

Hi all,

Well the search for a nice board that I can actually pay for continues.  I may have found 
one, but has Ali M1647 chipset.  Anyone out there used this chipset before.  I've read 
the doc from Daniella but I'm a bit dubious about forking out for a board that may have 
potential hassles.  I'm not paranoid..... just poor ;-)

Cheers
Gavin 

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Date:  Mon, 08 Apr 2002 10:13:43 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Gavin Miller" <drumextremeatimpulse dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] Ali M1647 chipsets update

Hi again

Having just looked at the Ali website I found that the M1647 (northbridge) has an AGP 
driver from Ali for windoze.  What does that mean for OS/2 anyone know?  The 
southbridge chip M1535D+ only uses Windows standard drivers for IDE and USB, and 
Ali drivers for audio.  I guess I can assume that OS/2 can handle the IDE and USB with 
no problems (using either IBM drivers or Daniella's).  Any help here would be good.  All 
this northbridge southbridge shite is beyond me.

Cheers
Gavin

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Date:  Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:03:49 +0930
From:  brianbatkdfisher dot com dot au
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Printers and drivers

Hi all,
I bought a Canon BJC1000 SP about a year ago.
It works fine but it does not have a black ink cartridge
so its a case of swap cartridges, put up with dirty brown
instead of black or have a second monochrome printer.

The omni driver runs it fine at full resolutions and colour depths.

It was about $120.00 Aus last year.

-----------------------------------------
Brian Butler
System Administrator
brianbatkdfisher dot com dot au

                                                                                                              
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Greetings all,
As my printer has just died has anyone bought a new printer in the last 6
months?
What of the cheap Cannon, Lexmark, HP, etc work with OS/2?
Does anyone have a USB printer working? As USB only printer are becoming
common
in the bottom end of printers.
Regards,
Michael
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Date:  Mon, 08 Apr 2002 17:08:55 +1100
From:  "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] New Injoy Betas

Voytek,
I'm currently uploading the two files to my Bigpond website.  They should be available 
shortly at:

http://users.bigpond dot net dot au/ijfire.zip for the firewall 2,385,489 bytes

and

http://users.bigpond dot net dot au/in-joy.zip for the dialer 2,049,128 bytes

Regards,

Paul.

On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:43:19, Voytek Eymont wrote:

>** Reply to note from "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au> Sun, 07 Apr 2002 
11:24:13 +1100
>
>
>> Just to let everyone know that there are new betas of both the Injoy dialer and 
firewall at  
>> http://www.fx.dk/beta
>
>Paul,
>
>do you know if there is a mirror, finding it next to impossible to d/l
>
>Pluto came through OK, not, the other stuff
>
>Voytek Eymont
>SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
>http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
>phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

> 

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Date:  Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:59:53
From:  Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] New Injoy Betas

** Reply to note from "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au> Mon, 08 Apr 2002 17:08:55 +1100

> I'm currently uploading the two files to my Bigpond website.  They should be available  
> shortly at: 
>    
> http://users.bigpond dot net dot au/ijfire.zip for the firewall 2,385,489 bytes 
>    
> and 
>    
> http://users.bigpond dot net dot au/in-joy.zip for the dialer 2,049,128 bytes

thanks,

shouldn't there be something after .au/ ? like your web name thing ?

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
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Date:  Mon, 08 Apr 2002 17:49:48 -0400
From:  "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] New Injoy Betas

Doh! I was in the middle of cooking tea when I typed this :)

Correct addresses are:
http://users.bigpond dot net dot au/psmedley/ijfire.zip for the firewall 2,385,489 bytes 

and

http://users.bigpond dot net dot au/psmedley/in-joy.zip for the dialer 2,049,128 bytes

Sorry!

Regards,

Paul.

On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:59:53, Voytek Eymont wrote:

>** Reply to note from "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au> Mon, 08 Apr 2002 
17:08:55 +1100
>
>
>> I'm currently uploading the two files to my Bigpond website.  They should be 
available  
>> shortly at: 
>>    
>> http://users.bigpond dot net dot au/ijfire.zip for the firewall 2,385,489 bytes 
>>    
>> and 
>>    
>> http://users.bigpond dot net dot au/in-joy.zip for the dialer 2,049,128 bytes
>
>thanks,
>
>shouldn't there be something after .au/ ? like your web name thing ?
>
>
>
>Voytek Eymont
>SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
>http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
>phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

> 

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Date:  Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:12:45 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] CD Burning question.

OK Bob, 
   I'll give it a try. The fact that your DVD drive could handle the Cds,
also reflects what I am seeing. But the CDs that I can't read although
multisession, have only one session on them at present. 
I'll reply once I have tried it.

Cheers/2
Ed.

"Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:34:07 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Bob,
> >
> >   There's a couple of points that conflict with your suggestion though:
> >
> > 1. I CAN read the CD in my DVD/CD Drive, only not in the CD Burner. If it
> > was
> >    a CDFS driver type problem, I would have expected both drives not to be
> >    able to read it.
> 
> Not necessarily.  I suggest you try JJScdrom.
> In config.sys I am using:-
> DEVICE=D:\OS2\BOOT\JJSCDROM.DMD /V /F
> 
> > 2. I can see the same problem on Daryl's PC and that's a completely
> > different
> >    (SCSI rather than IDE based) system, with this CD.
> 
> Scsi is worse than IDE based cd rom systems for multi-session problems.
> Which is why I was so desperate to try the early JJScdrom offerings.
> My system is IDE and scsi mix.
> 
> > 3. Other Burnt CD's (created on the same system) are readable in both the
> >    Burner and DVD drives. These CDs have far less than 650MB on them
> > however.
> 
> > For the record, I am not using JJSCDROM.
> 
> I suggest you try it out.
> 
> As I said earlier, I cannot remember all the symptoms or conditions
> of earlier and pre JJScdrom use, but it is absolutely essential
> on my system.  Without JJScdrom the ONLY cd drive that can consistently
> see multi-session cd's is my IDE dvd drive. The 2 scsi cd readers cannot
> and sometimes the scsi burner cannot either. JJScdrom enables this function
> and is now fully working on all cd devices, wether scsi or IDE.
> 
> I also suspect that some aspect of the problem is due to being coded
> incorrectly into the cd drive hardware itself.
> Even different brands of scsi cd drives behave differently.
> I think that JJScdrom is a software fix for these types of problems.
> 
> BobT.
> 
> > "Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Ed.
> > >
> > > No, not seen this in os/2.
> > > I have seen something similar in win98 and win2000 where another
> > > program installed a file system driver that interfered with the
> > > cd/dvd readers and burner, and none could read the burnt cd disk
> > > until the system was rebooted.
> > >
> > > At a guess (not using CDrecord/2, I use RSJ) you may have a driver
> > > conflicting with your cdfs.ifs driver.
> > >
> > > The most notable possibility is if you are using an OLD version
> > > of JJScdrom.dmd as a replacement for the IBM os2cdrom.dmd.
> > > The current JJScdrom is very good.
> > >
> > > In one of the earlier versions, I did have some kind of buggy
> > > and weird problems but I cannot remember the actual details.
> > > Too long ago, mate.  :-)
> > >
> > > Another possibility is that the burner SHOULD be using the os2cdrom.dmd
> > > when being used a reader and is having a problem.  In this case you MAY
> > > find that JJScdrom.dmd will be a better choice.
> > >
> > > It used to be the case that the IBM supplied drivers where not
> > > capable of displaying more than one session on a cd disk.
> > > Hence, the creation of the JJScdrom software to replace IBM.
> > >
> > > JJScdrom is available from hobbes, of course.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > BobT.
> > >
> > > On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 21:47:39 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have found an interesting problem and I wonder if anyone else has seen
> > > > this.
> > > >
> > > > I write my Data CD-Roms using CDRECORD/2 in multi-session mode, so that if
> > > > necessary, I can add data to them after the initial burn.
> > > >
> > > > Recently, I have had the problem that the addition of the 2nd session wont
> > > > work. Upon investigation, I found the CD Burner couldn't read the CD
> > > > although
> > > > other "normal" CD or DVD drives could. I initially thought this was a
> > > > physical
> > > > l problem caused by the addition of a label on the CD however to prove
> > > > whether this is so or not. I have just re burnt the same image and not
> > > > attached
> > > > any label. Guess what, same problem !
> > > >
> > > > I think what I have identified is a basic flaw in the design of my (Ricoh)
> > > > and possibly other CD-Burmers, in so much as they can burn up to 700 MB onto
> > > > a (80 minute) CD-R but if the initial session of a multi-session CD, such as
> > > > this one is greater than 650MB, it can't read it, and hence cannot add
> > > > session
> > > > number two.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone else seen this ??
> > > >
> > > > Cheers/2
> > > >
> > > > Ed.
> 
>    ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
>  /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
>  \_,--.x/
> 

>  

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Date:  Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:18:36 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] CD Burning question.

Sorry Bob, Installed the latest version of JJSCDROM and no change, exactly
the same situation !

Cheers/2

Ed.

"Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:34:07 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Bob,
> >
> >   There's a couple of points that conflict with your suggestion though:
> >
> > 1. I CAN read the CD in my DVD/CD Drive, only not in the CD Burner. If it
> > was
> >    a CDFS driver type problem, I would have expected both drives not to be
> >    able to read it.
> 
> Not necessarily.  I suggest you try JJScdrom.
> In config.sys I am using:-
> DEVICE=D:\OS2\BOOT\JJSCDROM.DMD /V /F
> 
> > 2. I can see the same problem on Daryl's PC and that's a completely
> > different
> >    (SCSI rather than IDE based) system, with this CD.
> 
> Scsi is worse than IDE based cd rom systems for multi-session problems.
> Which is why I was so desperate to try the early JJScdrom offerings.
> My system is IDE and scsi mix.
> 
> > 3. Other Burnt CD's (created on the same system) are readable in both the
> >    Burner and DVD drives. These CDs have far less than 650MB on them
> > however.
> 
> > For the record, I am not using JJSCDROM.
> 
> I suggest you try it out.
> 
> As I said earlier, I cannot remember all the symptoms or conditions
> of earlier and pre JJScdrom use, but it is absolutely essential
> on my system.  Without JJScdrom the ONLY cd drive that can consistently
> see multi-session cd's is my IDE dvd drive. The 2 scsi cd readers cannot
> and sometimes the scsi burner cannot either. JJScdrom enables this function
> and is now fully working on all cd devices, wether scsi or IDE.
> 
> I also suspect that some aspect of the problem is due to being coded
> incorrectly into the cd drive hardware itself.
> Even different brands of scsi cd drives behave differently.
> I think that JJScdrom is a software fix for these types of problems.
> 
> BobT.
> 
> > "Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Ed.
> > >
> > > No, not seen this in os/2.
> > > I have seen something similar in win98 and win2000 where another
> > > program installed a file system driver that interfered with the
> > > cd/dvd readers and burner, and none could read the burnt cd disk
> > > until the system was rebooted.
> > >
> > > At a guess (not using CDrecord/2, I use RSJ) you may have a driver
> > > conflicting with your cdfs.ifs driver.
> > >
> > > The most notable possibility is if you are using an OLD version
> > > of JJScdrom.dmd as a replacement for the IBM os2cdrom.dmd.
> > > The current JJScdrom is very good.
> > >
> > > In one of the earlier versions, I did have some kind of buggy
> > > and weird problems but I cannot remember the actual details.
> > > Too long ago, mate.  :-)
> > >
> > > Another possibility is that the burner SHOULD be using the os2cdrom.dmd
> > > when being used a reader and is having a problem.  In this case you MAY
> > > find that JJScdrom.dmd will be a better choice.
> > >
> > > It used to be the case that the IBM supplied drivers where not
> > > capable of displaying more than one session on a cd disk.
> > > Hence, the creation of the JJScdrom software to replace IBM.
> > >
> > > JJScdrom is available from hobbes, of course.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > BobT.
> > >
> > > On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 21:47:39 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have found an interesting problem and I wonder if anyone else has seen
> > > > this.
> > > >
> > > > I write my Data CD-Roms using CDRECORD/2 in multi-session mode, so that if
> > > > necessary, I can add data to them after the initial burn.
> > > >
> > > > Recently, I have had the problem that the addition of the 2nd session wont
> > > > work. Upon investigation, I found the CD Burner couldn't read the CD
> > > > although
> > > > other "normal" CD or DVD drives could. I initially thought this was a
> > > > physical
> > > > l problem caused by the addition of a label on the CD however to prove
> > > > whether this is so or not. I have just re burnt the same image and not
> > > > attached
> > > > any label. Guess what, same problem !
> > > >
> > > > I think what I have identified is a basic flaw in the design of my (Ricoh)
> > > > and possibly other CD-Burmers, in so much as they can burn up to 700 MB onto
> > > > a (80 minute) CD-R but if the initial session of a multi-session CD, such as
> > > > this one is greater than 650MB, it can't read it, and hence cannot add
> > > > session
> > > > number two.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone else seen this ??
> > > >
> > > > Cheers/2
> > > >
> > > > Ed.
> 
>    ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
>  /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
>  \_,--.x/
> 

>  

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Date:  Mon, 08 Apr 2002 20:03:47 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] New Injoy Betas

Thanks Paul but I already downloaded them from FX when Brian first
told us they were out.

Cheers/2
Ed.

Paul Smedley wrote:
> 
> Doh! I was in the middle of cooking tea when I typed this :)
> 
> Correct addresses are:
> http://users.bigpond dot net dot au/psmedley/ijfire.zip for the firewall 2,385,489 bytes
> 
> and
> 
> http://users.bigpond dot net dot au/psmedley/in-joy.zip for the dialer 2,049,128 bytes
> 
> Sorry!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul.
> 
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:59:53, Voytek Eymont wrote:
> 
> >** Reply to note from "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au> Mon, 08 Apr 2002
> 17:08:55 +1100
> >
> >
> >> I'm currently uploading the two files to my Bigpond website.  They should be
> available
> >> shortly at:
> >>
> >> http://users.bigpond dot net dot au/ijfire.zip for the firewall 2,385,489 bytes
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> http://users.bigpond dot net dot au/in-joy.zip for the dialer 2,049,128 bytes
> >
> >thanks,
> >
> >shouldn't there be something after .au/ ? like your web name thing ?
> >
> >
> >
> >Voytek Eymont
> >SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
> >http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
> >phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118

> > 

> 

>  

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Date:  Mon, 08 Apr 2002 20:11:11 +1000
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Ali M1647 chipsets update

Northbridge and southbridge are simply what we used to call the
motherboards "Chipset". Depending upon the design of the motherboard
and which processor type (AMD vs Intel for example). These chipsets
have to be different.

As more and more things get integrated into these chipsets the price
and size of the PC can be reduced.

It all resolves around money, as usual !

Cheers/2
Ed.

Gavin Miller wrote:
> 
> Hi again
> 
> Having just looked at the Ali website I found that the M1647 (northbridge) has an AGP
> driver from Ali for windoze.  What does that mean for OS/2 anyone know?  The
> southbridge chip M1535D+ only uses Windows standard drivers for IDE and USB, and
> Ali drivers for audio.  I guess I can assume that OS/2 can handle the IDE and USB with
> no problems (using either IBM drivers or Daniella's).  Any help here would be good.  All
> this northbridge southbridge shite is beyond me.
> 
> Cheers
> Gavin
> 

>  

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