Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 301
From: Digest <newsatos2site dot com>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" <deadmail>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:00:07 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600

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Tuesday 19 March 2002
 Number  301
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Subjects for today
 
1  Re: [os2genau] Rexx question : Ian Manners" <newsatos2site dot com>
2  Re: [os2genau] Rexx question : madodelatptdprolog dot net
3  Re: [os2genau] RAID on 386HPFS : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
4  [os2genau] Diskless workstations : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
5  Re: [os2genau] RAID on 386HPFS : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
6  Re: [os2genau] Diskless workstations : Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
7  [os2genau] New hardware experiences : Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
8  Re: [os2genau] Mozilla alterations : amoht" <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
9  [os2genau] Computer version: arrival of latest Angelico : John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
10  [os2genau] Reminder - Melbourne OS/2 SIG Meeting : List Admin" <newsatos2site dot com>
11  Re: [os2genau] Computer version: arrival of latest Angelico : Ian Manners" <newsatos2site dot com>
12  Re: [os2genau] RAID on 386HPFS : Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
13  Re: [os2genau] Computer version: arrival of latest Angelico : Peter <pgcatsub dot net dot au>
14  Re: [os2genau] Mozilla alterations : David Forrester" <davidforatterrigal dot net dot au>

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Date:  Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:22:09 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <newsatos2site dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Rexx question

Hi John, Bob, and Frank

Thanks for all the answers, I've gone with chris's solution,
simplicity itself .

Its for the Mailing List digest nightly mailout, at present, most
of its has been automated but MajorMajor likes to mince the
daily archive file, and sometimes my old script has fallen over
on strange emails, so up until 3 days ago I've had my script
proccess the digest, hold it, if I approve, make changes etc,
then send it out (changes are made about once a fortnight).

This will fully automate the digest, including 

1) converting all HTML to plain text
2) converting QuotedPrintable
3) removing all excess headers/footers
4) removing any and all attachments
4) Listing all the subject headings at the start of the email
5) Autonumbering all individual emails in the digest

The digest email is also what creates the email you see
in the Archive directory.

When I get back from Perth/Kalgoolie in about three
weeks, I'll clean it up, put lots of comments, and send
it off to Peter Moylan for inclusion with MajorMajor if
he see's fit.

I tell you what, switching between Watcom C, learning
more about rexx the hardway, sure is mind blowing :-)

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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Date:  Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:40:58 -0500
From:  madodelatptdprolog dot net
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Rexx question

In <200203190022.00003TW5atmail.os2site dot com>, on 03/19/02 at 12:22 AM,
   "Ian Manners" <newsatos2site dot com> said:

>The digest email is also what creates the email you see
>in the Archive directory.

>When I get back from Perth/Kalgoolie in about three
>weeks, I'll clean it up, put lots of comments, and send
>it off to Peter Moylan for inclusion with MajorMajor if
>he see's fit.

Bless you.  A digest version is one of the most requested items people
keep asking for from the VOICE Newslist.  I hope Peter can add this in a
future version.  The other is a web archive.

Mark

-- 

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For a choice in the future of personal computing, Join VOICE - http://www.os2voice dot org

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Date:  Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:56:52 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] RAID on 386HPFS

Hi Ed,
I'd like to implement drive mirroring too, (RAID 1), using Fault
Tolerance in Warp Server Advanced.

As usual, the IBM documentation is useless, referring to a document:

LAN Server Network Adminstrator Reference Volume 3:
Network Administrator Tasks

Where can I get this from?
Has anyone setup Fault Tolerance before?
How do you prepare the secondary drive?

On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:30:40 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

>If it's hardware Raid-1 - it doesn't matter what file system
>(eg HPFS / HPFS386 / NTFS / FAT) you're using, the processor on the
>RAID card takes care of everything at a data block level.
>
>I would not recommend the use of a software raid implementation.
>
>Cheers/2
>Ed.
>

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Mob: 0425-251-300

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Date:  Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:36:15 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject:  [os2genau] Diskless workstations

Hi,
Building Workstations is a right PITA, & software version control is
near impossible.
I know Win9x, DOS, Linux & OS/2 boxes can be diskless, but what about
NT/W2k/XP?

What are people's ideas about the different philosophies of thin
clients:

1)
Workstation CPU processing:- boot & run OS from a network OS image.

2)
Server CPU processing:- XWindows, Citrix, NT Terminal Server.

Hybrids of the above methods are also possible:- XWindows running a
Citrix client off  a network Linux image, for example.

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Mob: 0425-251-300

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Date:  Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:51:46 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] RAID on 386HPFS

Are you talking about a hardware raid implementation - ie Servraid ??

or software ??

I would strongly advise AGAINST a software implementation!

The hardware implementation is OS independant although monitoring 
software is ofcourse OS specific.

Cheers/2
Ed.

Daryl Pilkington wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed,
> I'd like to implement drive mirroring too, (RAID 1), using Fault
> Tolerance in Warp Server Advanced.
> 
> As usual, the IBM documentation is useless, referring to a document:
> 
> LAN Server Network Adminstrator Reference Volume 3:
> Network Administrator Tasks
> 
> Where can I get this from?
> Has anyone setup Fault Tolerance before?
> How do you prepare the secondary drive?
> 
> On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:30:40 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> >If it's hardware Raid-1 - it doesn't matter what file system
> >(eg HPFS / HPFS386 / NTFS / FAT) you're using, the processor on the
> >RAID card takes care of everything at a data block level.
> >
> >I would not recommend the use of a software raid implementation.
> >
> >Cheers/2
> >Ed.
> >
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Daryl  Pilkington
> 
> //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
> 
>         email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
>           ICQ: 91914134
>           Mob: 0425-251-300
> 

>  

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Date:  Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:30:29 +1100
From:  Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Diskless workstations

Windows boxes always have to have a harddisk as they cannot swap to a
network drive. Mind you a 3 1/2 inch harddrive in a thin client isn't
that 
much of a problem really and if you use WSOD, OS/2 can also use it to
store
heavily used System DLLs and hence improve performance without losing 
central control.

I rather like the idea of a very basic OS on the thin client say 10MB or
so
and then an X-windows / Citrix / VPC type solution.

Cheers/2
Ed.

Daryl Pilkington wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Building Workstations is a right PITA, & software version control is
> near impossible.
> I know Win9x, DOS, Linux & OS/2 boxes can be diskless, but what about
> NT/W2k/XP?
> 
> What are people's ideas about the different philosophies of thin
> clients:
> 
> 1)
> Workstation CPU processing:- boot & run OS from a network OS image.
> 
> 2)
> Server CPU processing:- XWindows, Citrix, NT Terminal Server.
> 
> Hybrids of the above methods are also possible:- XWindows running a
> Citrix client off  a network Linux image, for example.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Daryl  Pilkington
> 
> //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
> 
>         email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
>           ICQ: 91914134
>           Mob: 0425-251-300
> 

>  

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**= Email   7 ==========================**

Date:  Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:43:40 +1000
From:  "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] New hardware experiences

Hi All,
Just wanted to share some new hardware experience with everyone.  I finally got sick 
of trying to re-ink my old Lexmark 7200, and given the cost of two new ink cartridges 
(circa $150) thought I'd invest in a new printer that had separate ink tanks.

The only affordable, currently available printers with separate ink tanks in Adelaide that 
seemed to have OS/2 drivers were the Canon range.  I wasn't after a photo quality 
printer, as I have a photo lab that I'm happy with that is reasonably priced that I use for 
prints from our digital camera.

I ended up with the S400SP - which I hoped was compatible with the S400 drivers that 
were released in the IBM Omni driver package in January.  As it turns out, they are, with 
a few limitations.  Namely, the OS/2 drivers don't give the ability to align the print heads 
like the Windows drivers do.  The option is there in the Maintenance tab of the Omni 
driver, but is greyed out.  Secondly, the Omni driver only offers print resolutions of 
360x360 where the printer can do 1440x720.  Finally, printouts of photos appear on 
paper very pale or "washed out" compared to printouts from Windows.

In spite of the above, I'm quite pleased with the printer - for around $A 250 it offers pretty 
good value IMHO.

I also bought myself a new Yamaha 20x 10x 40x EIDE CDRW to replace my Yamaha 
6x 4x 16x SCSI CDRW which is also working great with both RSJ and CDRecord.

If any Aussies (preferably Adelaideans) are interested in a used SCSI CDRW and ISA 
SCSI Card (if needed) let me know off-list.

Regards,

Paul.

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Date:  Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:05:42 -0500 (EST)
From:  "amoht" <amohtatozemail dot com dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Mozilla alterations

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:34:52 +1100 (EDT), David Forrester wrote:

>Create a program object with:
>- mozilla.exe as the program name.  You probably will need the path as
>well
>- "-turbo" as the parameter (no quotes)
>- the directory that mozilla.exe is in as the working directory.

Thanks David

I created a program object using my Mozilla.exe desktop icon context menu and then put the parameter  
-turbo in and it worked. At first it didn't because I was typing turbo with a capital T. 
However I then found that I couldn't shut ECS down so had to make another program object with the 
parameter  -kill.  By clicking on this before I shut down the shut down goes ahead. 
I then put the Mozilla turbo object in my startup folder and although it takes a little longer to start up I can then 
start Mozilla much quicker.
I don't know why I was able to shut down without problems when I used a command line with the turbo  
switch previously. Must have something to do with the objects created.

Thanks also for your other advice. I'll look at the sites you listed.

Regards'

Alan Duval

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Date:  Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:09:01 +1000 (EST)
From:  "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Subject:  [os2genau] Computer version: arrival of latest Angelico

Announcing the release of Angelico v2.7 for OS/2 & eCS

Fully qualified name: Alethea Ellen Angelico
File type: Female
Release Date: 19 Mar 2002
Timestamp: 13:48 AEDT (UTC 3:48 +10)
File size: 3.73Kg or 8lb 3oz (unzipped)
Creation Date: 9 months ago (as if you really need to know!<g>) 
Extended Attributes: 
	Hair: long, straight, black
	Eyes: Slate blue
	Condition: excellent
	Compatibility: fully compatible with all earlier versions of
Angelico 2

Translation out of geek-speak:

Oh boy! Oh boy! Oh boy! Oh boy! 

IT'S A GIRL: Alethea Ellen Angelico

Born 19th March, 1:48pm, by Caesarian, weight 3.7309kg or 8lb. 3.5ozs., and
welcomed by Michael (20), Chris (18), Gabrielle (12), David (9), Tim (7),
Stephen (5) and of course mum & dad, Marjo and John Angelico.  

We praise God for this extra blessing and for His protection and care:
Mother and baby are well.

Please pass on the good news!!
 
Hospital visiting hours:
Mt Waverley Private Hospital, 
343-357 Blackburn Rd Mt Waverley
3:30-5pm and 6:30-8pm

John Angelico
Co-convener
MelbPC OS/2 SIG

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... Yes, son, long ago, mail was actually written with pen and paper.

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Date:  Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:30:00 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "List Admin" <newsatos2site dot com>
Subject:  [os2genau] Reminder - Melbourne OS/2 SIG Meeting

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Melbourne OS/2 SIG Meeting 

Date:   Tuesday, March 26, 2002
Time:  6:30PM - 9:30PM
Place:  Melbourne PC Group
           Victoria, Australia.

The Monthly Meeting of Melbourne OS/2 SIG 
Normally held the fourth Tuesday of each month.
"Calendar" of events can be found via the list page.
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Date:  Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:31:16 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Ian Manners" <newsatos2site dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Computer version: arrival of latest Angelico

Hi John

>Announcing the release of Angelico v2.7 for OS/2 & eCS

Congratulations, keep my Cigar for the April meeting ;-)

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

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Date:  Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:28:58 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] RAID on 386HPFS

Thanks Ed,

Its software RAID:- Fault Tolerance in Warp Server Advanced.
We are looking for the documentation on it.

On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:51:46 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Are you talking about a hardware raid implementation - ie Servraid ??
>
>or software ??
>
>I would strongly advise AGAINST a software implementation!
>
>The hardware implementation is OS independant although monitoring 
>software is ofcourse OS specific.
>
>Cheers/2
>Ed.
>
>Daryl Pilkington wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ed,
>> I'd like to implement drive mirroring too, (RAID 1), using Fault
>> Tolerance in Warp Server Advanced.
>> 
>> As usual, the IBM documentation is useless, referring to a document:
>> 
>> LAN Server Network Adminstrator Reference Volume 3:
>> Network Administrator Tasks
>> 
>> Where can I get this from?
>> Has anyone setup Fault Tolerance before?
>> How do you prepare the secondary drive?
>> 
SNIP
>

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Mob: 0425-251-300

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Date:  Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:00:30 +1100
From:  Peter <pgcatsub dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Computer version: arrival of latest Angelico

John,

With a family as large as yours, its nice to know that at least ONE family is tackling
the age-ing population problem.

Congrats
Peter

John Angelico wrote:

> Announcing the release of Angelico v2.7 for OS/2 & eCS
>
> Fully qualified name: Alethea Ellen Angelico
> File type: Female
> Release Date: 19 Mar 2002
> Timestamp: 13:48 AEDT (UTC 3:48 +10)
> File size: 3.73Kg or 8lb 3oz (unzipped)
> Creation Date: 9 months ago (as if you really need to know!<g>)
> Extended Attributes:
>         Hair: long, straight, black
>         Eyes: Slate blue
>         Condition: excellent
>         Compatibility: fully compatible with all earlier versions of
> Angelico 2
>
> Translation out of geek-speak:
>
> Oh boy! Oh boy! Oh boy! Oh boy!
>
> IT'S A GIRL: Alethea Ellen Angelico
>
> Born 19th March, 1:48pm, by Caesarian, weight 3.7309kg or 8lb. 3.5ozs., and
> welcomed by Michael (20), Chris (18), Gabrielle (12), David (9), Tim (7),
> Stephen (5) and of course mum & dad, Marjo and John Angelico.
>
> We praise God for this extra blessing and for His protection and care:
> Mother and baby are well.
>
> Please pass on the good news!!
>
> Hospital visiting hours:
> Mt Waverley Private Hospital,
> 343-357 Blackburn Rd Mt Waverley
> 3:30-5pm and 6:30-8pm
>
> John Angelico
> Co-convener
> MelbPC OS/2 SIG
>
> PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
> ... Yes, son, long ago, mail was actually written with pen and paper.
>

>  

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Date:  Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:33:53 +1100 (EDT)
From:  "David Forrester" <davidforatterrigal dot net dot au>
Subject:  Re: [os2genau] Mozilla alterations

On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:05:42 -0500 (EST), amoht wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:34:52 +1100 (EDT), David Forrester wrote:
>
>>Create a program object with:
>>- mozilla.exe as the program name.  You probably will need the path as
>>well
>>- "-turbo" as the parameter (no quotes)
>>- the directory that mozilla.exe is in as the working directory.
>
>
>Thanks David
>
>I created a program object using my Mozilla.exe desktop icon context menu and then put the parameter  
>-turbo in and it worked. At first it didn't because I was typing turbo with a capital T. 
>However I then found that I couldn't shut ECS down so had to make another program object with the 
>parameter  -kill.  By clicking on this before I shut down the shut down goes ahead. 
>I then put the Mozilla turbo object in my startup folder and although it takes a little longer to start up I can then 
>start Mozilla much quicker.
>I don't know why I was able to shut down without problems when I used a command line with the turbo  
>switch previously. Must have something to do with the objects created.

The shutdown problem has been reported before.  I don't know why
there's a difference between starting from the command line and from an
object.  If it really doesn't halt the shutdown, you could try starting
it from the STARTUP.CMD (via a START command).  The solution others
have used is to put the kill object in something like XWorkplace's
shutdown folder (there's at least one other tool out there that will do
it, but everyone should be using XWorkplace).

>
>Thanks also for your other advice. I'll look at the sites you listed.

I had another play with uabar today.  And it does work as described. 
It was a matter of following the instructions.  So, this looks good for
anyone who wants to be able to change the useragent without restarting
Mozilla.

--
David Forrester
davidforatterrigal dot net dot au
http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/

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