Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 213
From: "Digest" <ianatos2site dot com>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" <deadmail>
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 01:00:00 +1100 (EDT)

Date:- 25 November 2001

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 23:21:09 +1000
From: Peter Godbold <spgatgil dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

Graham,

Another one - 

Credit Union Australia's new Telebanker system works OK with Netscape
4.6.1, too.  It's a Java app and takes some time to load up over a
dial-up, but works acceptably from there with no glitches

Regards,
Peter

Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:
> 
> Hi guys
> 
> well the new National Bank Internet Banking seems to work well with OS2 and Java
> ignore all those words and warnings about Browser incompatibility and slow
> responses and click 'contunue'...
> 
> the Westpac also seems OK...
> 
> Telstra ... a dog of a site poor design, complex and over whelming and slow.
> . . . . . . . . . . . 
> Graham Norton
> President
> OS2 Users Group SA
> 

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From: "Daryl Pilkington" <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 05:38:34 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

Hi,
Adelaide Bank for years has used a Pure Java App, always worked :)

On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 23:21:09 +1000, Peter Godbold wrote:

>Graham,
>
>Another one - 
>
>Credit Union Australia's new Telebanker system works OK with Netscape
>4.6.1, too.  It's a Java app and takes some time to load up over a
>dial-up, but works acceptably from there with no glitches
>
SNIP
>

Regards,

Daryl  Pilkington 

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From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au>
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:14:08 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

HI ed

I thought that Active -X was some form of software  (MS) that was needed to run 
games on a PC?  Are you telling me that the Telstra site is one big flight 
simulator???

On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:52:11 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Sounds like Telstra might be using active-X in their site.
>
>Have you checked it with any OS/2 Browser other than Netscape ?
>i.e. Opera or Warpzilla ??
>
>Cheers/2
>Ed.
>
>
>Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:
>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> well the new National Bank Internet Banking seems to work well with OS2 and 
Java
>> ignore all those words and warnings about Browser incompatibility and slow
>> responses and click 'contunue'...
>>
>> the Westpac also seems OK...
>>
>> Telstra ... a dog of a site poor design, complex and over whelming and slow.
>>
>> the feature of being able to send SMS text messages from the PC to  another
>> mobile works  except for the Address Book (which is Java) and one cant add 
new
>> names and telephones to the address book as the link to the add  button is 
broken
>> it seems... I have added all my mobile numbers via MS and IE and they appear 
in
>> the OS2 Browser after that....
>>
>> Graham Norton
>> President
>> OS2 Users Group SA
>>
>
>

Graham Norton
President
OS2 Users Group SA

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Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:27:15 +1100
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

(I)diots (E)xplorer uses Active-X in place of plugins or Java code - ie to
execute a small program on your system through the browser.

I think you are refering to video extentions to windows when you refer
to games - I think this indeed is called something X aswell but the name escapes
me at the moment - I think it was in competion with Open-GL at one stage
but thankfully more and more games are using Open-GL now.

Cheers/2

Ed.

Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:

> I thought that Active -X was some form of software  (MS) that was needed to run
> games on a PC?  Are you telling me that the Telstra site is one big flight
> simulator???
>

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:27:59 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:31:16 +1000 (EST), Dr Graham Norton FRACP
Neurologist wrote:

>HI Ed
>
>yes check it with Warpzilla and IBM Web Browser - all the same!!!  NOt Opera 
>thought cause I thought it was JAVA and Opera for OS2 doesnt yet support Java!
>

And I just checked my IBM Browser - it doesn't do Java either...

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------

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.... Could Xerox ever come up with anything original?

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:31:05 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:14:08 +1000 (EST), Dr Graham Norton FRACP
Neurologist wrote:

>HI ed
>
>I thought that Active -X was some form of software  (MS) that was needed to run 
>games on a PC?  Are you telling me that the Telstra site is one big flight 
>simulator???

Graham, it could all be a flight of fancy, but as I understand
Active-X it is a form of "programming component" trying to emulate
the object-orientation we know and love in OS/2 but without the
programming ability to achieve the object-ive<g>

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... Would you trust your ATM transactions to a machine run by Windows 95?

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From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:48:30 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau] IBM Browser & JAVA 1.3

>And I just checked my IBM Browser - it doesn't do Java either...

http://www.os2site dot com/sw/internet/browser/warpzilla/warpzillaibmjava13pluginenabler.zip

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

I pressed REDIAL on a brand new phone and it had a nervous breakdown.

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Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:51:24 +1100
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

I remembered - Direct X is the video "enhancement".

Ed Durrant wrote:

> (I)diots (E)xplorer uses Active-X in place of plugins or Java code - ie to
> execute a small program on your system through the browser.
>
> I think you are refering to video extentions to windows when you refer
> to games - I think this indeed is called something X aswell but the name escapes
> me at the moment - I think it was in competion with Open-GL at one stage
> but thankfully more and more games are using Open-GL now.
>
> Cheers/2
>
> Ed.
>
> Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:
>
> > I thought that Active -X was some form of software  (MS) that was needed to run
> > games on a PC?  Are you telling me that the Telstra site is one big flight
> > simulator???
> >
>

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Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:52:18 +1100
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

There's an extra step to install Java into the IBM Browser - RTFM .....

Cheers/2

Ed.

John Angelico wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:31:16 +1000 (EST), Dr Graham Norton FRACP
> Neurologist wrote:
>
> >HI Ed
> >
> >yes check it with Warpzilla and IBM Web Browser - all the same!!!  NOt Opera
> >thought cause I thought it was JAVA and Opera for OS2 doesnt yet support Java!
> >
>
> And I just checked my IBM Browser - it doesn't do Java either...
>
> Best regards
> John Angelico
> OS/2 SIG
> talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
> --------------------------------------------
>
> PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
> ... Could Xerox ever come up with anything original?
>

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Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:01:03 +1100
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM Browser & JAVA 1.3

Isn't that the plugin enabler for Warpzilla, not the IBM Browser Ian. I pretty sure
the IBM Browser comes with its own .... or does it come with JAVA 1.3 ??

Cheers/2

Ed.

Ian Manners wrote:

> >And I just checked my IBM Browser - it doesn't do Java either...
>
> http://www.os2site dot com/sw/internet/browser/warpzilla/warpzillaibmjava13pluginenabler.zip
>
> Cheers
> Ian B Manners
> http://www.os2site dot com/
>
> I pressed REDIAL on a brand new phone and it had a nervous breakdown.

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From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au>
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:35:19 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM Browser & JAVA 1.3

Its better to install the IBM Browser then JAVA 1.3 as the installation will prompt to 
set up the  Browser for Java 1.3. If done the other way round it requires fiddling - 
something beyond mere mortals like me!!!  I have used the installer for Warpzilla 
and suspect that it would do the same for the IBM flavour!!

As to Telstra. is there any point in complaining if it is using this dreaded Active X 
MS beast?

On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:01:03 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Isn't that the plugin enabler for Warpzilla, not the IBM Browser Ian. I pretty sure
>the IBM Browser comes with its own .... or does it come with JAVA 1.3 ??
>
>Cheers/2
>
>Ed.
>
>Ian Manners wrote:
>
>> >And I just checked my IBM Browser - it doesn't do Java either...
>>
>> 
http://www.os2site dot com/sw/internet/browser/warpzilla/warpzillaibmjava13pluginena
bler.zip
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ian B Manners
>> http://www.os2site dot com/
>>
>> I pressed REDIAL on a brand new phone and it had a nervous breakdown.

Graham Norton
President
OS2 Users Group SA

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From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:10:41 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM Browser & JAVA 1.3

Hi Ed

>Isn't that the plugin enabler for Warpzilla, not the IBM Browser Ian. I pretty sure
>the IBM Browser comes with its own .... or does it come with JAVA 1.3 ??

I believe it is the same for IBM Browser, or Warpzilla, you just need to put
this DLL in the plugins directory so that the IBM Browser, or Warpzilla then
recognises it, IBM do not support this though, apparently (third hand info here)

I must confess to not having read the manual/readme, and unlikely to until
xmas :-)

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Microsoft "Tech Support":          
1) Re-boot           
2) Re-boot           
3) Re-install all your software           
4) Buy the new release (again)          
5) GOTO 1

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:39:55 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM Browser & JAVA 1.3

On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:48:30 +1100 (EDT), Ian Manners wrote:

>>And I just checked my IBM Browser - it doesn't do Java either...
>
>http://www.os2site dot com/sw/internet/browser/warpzilla/warpzillaibmjava13pluginenabler.zip

Many thanks Ian.

README says:

"This tool will enable IBM Java 1.3 Plug-in to function on Warpzilla.

Syntax : ENABLER <Warpzilla Base-Path directory>

******************************************************************

How to do this ?
There are two possible cases :

1) You've just installed IBM Web-browser + java 1.3 plugin 
   and IBM Java 1.3 Runtime on your system

Solution : Copy "npoji6.dll" from "plugin" directory of your 
           IBM WebBrowser into "plugin" directory of your Warpzilla
           Then run "enabler.exe" with the path of your Warpzilla
base 
           directory ."

**** This was the nearest description to my circumstances, but I
could not find any such DLL anywhere in my system... :(

I did part 2 only with g:\mozraw\bin to point to my base directory
because using G:\mozraw didn't find Warpzilla.

It reported "DONE! You should now be able to use Java plugins!"

However, I see no change in my IBM Browser Java capabilities...

"2) You've only installed IBM Java 1.3 (R5 minimum) on your system.  

Solution : Run "enabler.exe" with the path of your Warpzilla base 
           directory .
           Click on "mzplugin.exe" on "ns" directory of your IBM Java
1.3.
           Click on "insmzplg.cmd" . "

**** I could not do this because the program didn't give me anything
to read...

Am I missing the Java 1.3 Plug-In entirely??

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... -->No marsupial-based products were used in this transmission<--

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From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:06:00 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM Browser & JAVA 1.3

Hi John

>**** This was the nearest description to my circumstances, but I
>could not find any such DLL anywhere in my system... :(

I'll have a go here and let you know what I find.

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

I went window shopping...and bought OS/2!

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:05:33 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau] Melbourne OS/2-eCS SIG Meeting November 27th

OS/2 SIG Meeting Agenda for November 2001

Date: Tuesday Nov 27th
Time: 6:30pm
Location: Large SIG room, Melbourne PC User Group, cnr Wells & Dorcas
Streets South Melbourne

The Monthly Meeting of Melbourne OS/2 SIG 

News
Nearly Christmas and Billy doesn't have much to show in sales of his
XPensive new Win-toy.

eCS-OS/2 Basics
DOS Sessions and Settings

Calling All Desktops!
We continue our series showcasing an aspect of eCS each month. 
With the help of Daryl Pilkington in Sydney, we have planned a
special INTERSTATE online Internet demonstration of Desktop On Call.
This is a little tentative since it requires a bit of preparation
which is scheduled for the next few days, but *so far* we don't
anticipate any problems. 

Eatery.
We adjourn to the well-known pizzeria known as Topelz afterwards

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... "... It works! Now, if only I could remember what I did." 

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From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:45:46 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM Browser & JAVA 1.3

Hi John

All I've done is to copy npjava.dll from my Netscape v4.6 plugins
directory, to my mozilla (IBM Browser) plugins directory, this file
is the JAVA v2 plugin file which I assume JAVA v2 (1.3) installed
for me, the help-plugins menu tells me its JAVA 1.3.  Then I started
IBM Browser, checked out some JAVA sites, works well, must
comment here, its at#$% fast !

I think the readme files need some editing re order of installation.

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Wouldn't you like to see the Energizer bunny on a borg ship?

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Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:21:18 +1100
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM Browser & JAVA 1.3

Java 1.3 IS faster than 1.18 - there were quite a few changes to
achieve this, but  ... only faster on a fairly powerful machine.
Java 1.18 is faster on a "low-spec" (ie < 400MHz) machine

Cheers/2
Ed.

Ian Manners wrote:

> Hi John
>
>  must comment here, its at#$% fast !
>