Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 212
From: "Digest" <ianatos2site dot com>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" <deadmail>
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:00:00 +1100 (EDT)

Date:- 24 November 2001

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From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:10:42 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

Hi guys

well the new National Bank Internet Banking seems to work well with OS2 and Java 
ignore all those words and warnings about Browser incompatibility and slow 
responses and click 'contunue'...

the Westpac also seems OK...

Telstra ... a dog of a site poor design, complex and over whelming and slow.

the feature of being able to send SMS text messages from the PC to  another 
mobile works  except for the Address Book (which is Java) and one cant add new 
names and telephones to the address book as the link to the add  button is broken 
it seems... I have added all my mobile numbers via MS and IE and they appear in 
the OS2 Browser after that....

Graham Norton
President
OS2 Users Group SA

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:53:34 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

** Reply to note from "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au> Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:10:42 +1000 (EST)

> well the new National Bank Internet Banking seems to work well with OS2 and Java  
> ignore all those words and warnings about Browser incompatibility and slow  
> responses and click 'contunue'... 

damn StGeorge just diverts your browser, so, can't even try.

> the feature of being able to send SMS text messages from the PC to  another  
> mobile works  except for the Address Book (which is Java) and one cant add new  
> names and telephones to the address book as the link to the add  button is broken  
> it seems... I have added all my mobile numbers via MS and IE and they appear in  
> the OS2 Browser after that....

where is the SMS URL ?

you mean, Telstra has a web based SMS ? for free.. ?

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:29:07 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:53:34, Voytek Eymont wrote:

>** Reply to note from "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" 
<gnatsmart-road dot com dot au> Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:10:42 +1000 (EST)
>
>   
>> the feature of being able to send SMS text messages from the PC to  another  
>> mobile works  except for the Address Book (which is Java) and one cant add 
new  
>> names and telephones to the address book as the link to the add  button is 
broken  
>> it seems... I have added all my mobile numbers via MS and IE and they appear 
in  
>> the OS2 Browser after that....
>
>where is the SMS URL ?
>
>you mean, Telstra has a web based SMS ? for free.. ?

No Of course its not free!!!! I mean its Telstra for goodness sake!  You need to log 
on set up your own page and you need to have a Telstra mobile phone account 
and then you can type in your message and send it as SMS text to another mobile 
and your mobile account is still charged the usual 22c (?) a call!

>
>
>
>Voytek Eymont
>SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
>http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
>phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 
>

Graham Norton
President
OS2 Users Group SA

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From: "Gavin Miller" <digitaldreamsatdingoblue dot net dot au>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:12:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [os2genau] Virus Question

For a virus that's designed for Windoze to spread, it needs a Win box to be active right?  
I mean if an OS/2 user gets one of those nasties, the virus can't activate and spread 
itself, rather it needs to be passed on to a Windows machine before it can activate, 
right??  That means the virus files need to be copied or e-mailed premeditatedly 
(assuming the OS/2 user knows the files are corrupt) to a windows box?????

I anticipate your responses to this..... and then I'll tell you all why I ask ;-)

Cheers
Gavin

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:27:30 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Virus Question

** Reply to note from "Gavin Miller" <digitaldreamsatdingoblue dot net dot au> Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:12:28 -0500 (EST)

> For a virus that's designed for Windoze to spread, it needs a Win box to be active right?   
> I mean if an OS/2 user gets one of those nasties, the virus can't activate and spread  
> itself, rather it needs to be passed on to a Windows machine before it can activate,  
> right??  That means the virus files need to be copied or e-mailed premeditatedly  
> (assuming the OS/2 user knows the files are corrupt) to a windows box?????

I'd imagine, a WinOS/2 session could propagte such, or, be infested;
unless it's a 32Win virus...

as I don't have either WinOS/2 or virus, so, just hypotethising

practise safe hex: don't execute random binaries

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:30:44 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Virus Question

Hi Gavin

>For a virus that's designed for Windoze to spread, it needs a Win box to be active right?  
>I mean if an OS/2 user gets one of those nasties, the virus can't activate and spread 
>itself, rather it needs to be passed on to a Windows machine before it can activate, 
>right??  That means the virus files need to be copied or e-mailed premeditatedly 
>(assuming the OS/2 user knows the files are corrupt) to a windows box?????

It depends :-)

The email client being used, do you have ODIN, WinOS2, DOS installed ?
Do you have Microsoft Word installed ?

If the situation is as mine is, and you are pure OS/2, not even
MS-DOS support installed, no ODIN, no WinOS2, then I cant
see how you could get infected, or start to send the emails out
so I would hazard a guess that with 95% certainty you could
state that for a pure OS/2 user to infect someone else, then
it would have to be done by, and with, that OS/2 users knowledge.

I say 95% because I'm waiting for a JAVA virus to be written, and
depending on what the virus is written in, there is always a
slim chance that one day one of these virus's could infect
even a pure OS/2 computer.

The most likely senerio is that the OS/2 user forwards an
infected email without realising, um, guilty :-(

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

"If you're cross-eyed and have dyslexia, can you see okay?"
  --John Mendoza

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From: "Gavin Miller" <digitaldreamsatdingoblue dot net dot au>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:51:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Virus Question

OK thanks guys.  That's pretty much what I thought.  I do have DOS, WIN/OS2 support 
but steer clear of Microsoft products, so I don't use ODIN or have MS office installed.  
My Win98 partition is used only for Unreal Tournament and is not connected to the 
internet in any way.

  The Viruses SirC32.exe and rundll32.exe worm were found on a laptop I took home on 
the weekend and LANed to my machine to transfer WAV files, and obviously they're 
designed for Win95 up.  I was instantly blamed for this, and for a split second I did 
entertain the idea that maybe I had transfered the viruses (until I found out exactly what 
they were).  Just thought I'd make sure anyway ;-)

I guess the clowns at work will have to find another scapegoat.

Cheers guys
Gavin

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:55:07 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Virus Question

** Reply to note from "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com> Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:30:44 +1100 (EDT)

> I say 95% because I'm waiting for a JAVA virus to be written, and 
> depending on what the virus is written in, there is always a 
> slim chance that one day one of these virus's could infect 
> even a pure OS/2 computer. 
>  
> The most likely senerio is that the OS/2 user forwards an 
> infected email without realising, um, guilty :-(

few weeks ago, we caught a lot of spam originating from
our smtp server.

we traced it to a dial up user. the user site is all OS/2
(so they tell me), it seeems, a HTML mail contained
javascript ? to download and, spam.

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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From: "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:16:26 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Virus Question

Hi Voytek

>we traced it to a dial up user. the user site is all OS/2
>(so they tell me), it seeems, a HTML mail contained
>javascript ? to download and, spam.

Yes, I've heard of a javascript that you can receive as part of
a spammers HTML email, that access's your address book and
proceeds to send the same email spam with the javascript autoload
as part of the HTML email.

Very ingenius piece of work, one very good reason to tell
Netscape not to use javascript for email if you use Netscape

checkout  news://news.admin dot net-abuse.email

Cheers
Ian B Manners
http://www.os2site dot com/

Life's a virus and then you format.

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:20:04 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:53:34, Voytek Eymont wrote:

>
>
>> well the new National Bank Internet Banking seems to work well with OS2 and Java  
>> ignore all those words and warnings about Browser incompatibility and slow  
>> responses and click 'contunue'... 
>
>damn StGeorge just diverts your browser, so, can't even try.

Well, get on your bike, and tell them by phone that you would like to
give them some money (business) and do some advertising of their
facilities BUT their web site is stopping you!

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... DOS never says EXCELLENT command or filename!

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:32:23 
From: Voytek Eymont <voytekatsbt dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Virus Question

** Reply to note from "Ian Manners" <ianatos2site dot com> Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:16:26 +1100 (EDT)

> >we traced it to a dial up user. the user site is all OS/2 
> >(so they tell me), it seeems, a HTML mail contained 
> >javascript ? to download and, spam. 
>  
> Yes, I've heard of a javascript that you can receive as part of 
> a spammers HTML email, that access's your address book and 
> proceeds to send the same email spam with the javascript autoload 
> as part of the HTML email. 
>  
> Very ingenius piece of work, one very good reason to tell 
> Netscape not to use javascript for email if you use Netscape 
>  

as far as I could tell, the target email addresses were either delivered, or,
perhaps collected, from the spam originator; they were NOT local users

Voytek Eymont
SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd
http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/
phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:49:04 +1100
From: Michael Taylor <miketatpcug dot org dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

Voytek Eymont wrote:
> 
> ** Reply to note from "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au> Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:10:42 +1000 (EST)
> 
> > well the new National Bank Internet Banking seems to work well with OS2 and Java
> > ignore all those words and warnings about Browser incompatibility and slow
> > responses and click 'contunue'...
> 
> damn StGeorge just diverts your browser, so, can't even try.

At least it works with NS4.61 and OS/2 again. The new applet isn't any better than the
old one anywau :-)

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:52:11 +1100
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

Sounds like Telstra might be using active-X in their site.

Have you checked it with any OS/2 Browser other than Netscape ?
i.e. Opera or Warpzilla ??

Cheers/2
Ed.

Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:

> Hi guys
>
> well the new National Bank Internet Banking seems to work well with OS2 and Java
> ignore all those words and warnings about Browser incompatibility and slow
> responses and click 'contunue'...
>
> the Westpac also seems OK...
>
> Telstra ... a dog of a site poor design, complex and over whelming and slow.
>
> the feature of being able to send SMS text messages from the PC to  another
> mobile works  except for the Address Book (which is Java) and one cant add new
> names and telephones to the address book as the link to the add  button is broken
> it seems... I have added all my mobile numbers via MS and IE and they appear in
> the OS2 Browser after that....
>
> Graham Norton
> President
> OS2 Users Group SA
>

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:55:23 +1100
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

At least telstra only charge for sucessful SMS sending. Optus charge
whether it is sucessful or not and as Optus are using some crazy
home-concocted system which is compatible with no-one internationally,
sending an SMS from an Optus Mobile can often fail !

Cheers/2
Ed.

Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:

> >you mean, Telstra has a web based SMS ? for free.. ?
>
> No Of course its not free!!!! I mean its Telstra for goodness sake!  You need to log
> on set up your own page and you need to have a Telstra mobile phone account
> and then you can type in your message and send it as SMS text to another mobile
> and your mobile account is still charged the usual 22c (?) a call!

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:57:18 +1100
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Virus Question

Hmm, wonder what having Odin installed does for protection against Win32 Viruses
under OS/2 ??

Cheers/2
Ed.

Voytek Eymont wrote:

> ** Reply to note from "Gavin Miller" <digitaldreamsatdingoblue dot net dot au> Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:12:28 -0500 (EST)
>
> > For a virus that's designed for Windoze to spread, it needs a Win box to be active right?
> > I mean if an OS/2 user gets one of those nasties, the virus can't activate and spread
> > itself, rather it needs to be passed on to a Windows machine before it can activate,
> > right??  That means the virus files need to be copied or e-mailed premeditatedly
> > (assuming the OS/2 user knows the files are corrupt) to a windows box?????
>
> I'd imagine, a WinOS/2 session could propagte such, or, be infested;
> unless it's a 32Win virus...
>

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From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" <gnatsmart-road dot com dot au>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:31:16 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banking and Telstra

HI Ed

yes check it with Warpzilla and IBM Web Browser - all the same!!!  NOt Opera 
thought cause I thought it was JAVA and Opera for OS2 doesnt yet support Java!

On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:52:11 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Sounds like Telstra might be using active-X in their site.
>
>Have you checked it with any OS/2 Browser other than Netscape ?
>i.e. Opera or Warpzilla ??
>
>Cheers/2
>Ed.
>
>
>Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:
>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> well the new National Bank Internet Banking seems to work well with OS2 and 
Java
>> ignore all those words and warnings about Browser incompatibility and slow
>> responses and click 'contunue'...
>>
>> the Westpac also seems OK...
>>
>> Telstra ... a dog of a site poor design, complex and over whelming and slow.
>>
>> the feature of being able to send SMS text messages from the PC to  another
>> mobile works  except for the Address Book (which is Java) and one cant add 
new
>> names and telephones to the address book as the link to the add  button is 
broken
>> it seems... I have added all my mobile numbers via MS and IE and they appear 
in
>> the OS2 Browser after that....
>>
>> Graham Norton
>> President
>> OS2 Users Group SA
>>
>

Graham Norton
President
OS2 Users Group SA