Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 0
From: "Digest" <ianatos2site dot com>
To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" <deadmail>
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2001 01:00:00 +1000 (EDT)

Date:- 05 to 15 March 2000

1================================================

From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:00:10 +1000 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau] OS/2 SIG Report Feb 2001 PLUS!

Hello all!

Below you will find the full report of the Feb meeting (some attachments won't find their way into the PC Update 
version) and I am pleased to announce that subsequent to the meeting we have been able to negotiate with our South 
Aussie colleagues to transfer the os2genau mailing list off the yahoo-egroups "free-adverts-get-in-the-flaming-way" 
list and onto 
1) an OS/2 server (3 cheers!)
2) run by an OS/2 enthusiast who is also running a commercial ISP operation (3 cheers!)
3) using a proper os2 domain name (3 cheers!)

I have posted this message to the new list os2genauatos2 dot org dot au as a parallel test run to ensure that we have 
transferred all the addresses correctly.

So I hope that within 24 hours, you should all receive TWO reports - one to each list address.

If you only receive one, please tell me pronto which list you did receive, and we will analyse the error and fix it 
as necessary.  

Once that is completed, we will a) transfer archive messages if possible, b) issue a faq on use of the new list and 
then c) close off egroups.

This represents stage one of three or four: 
1) hosting our mail on a server within the OS/2 community. 
2) Stage two will be to rebuild web pages for Australian OS/2 (and eCS) groups using the os2 dot org dot au domain; 
3) Stage three we hope will be establishing FTP file areas and 
4) a possible stage four will be to link with os2world dot com

Then we'll think about giving melbpc dot org dot au a link to the site...<he, he, he!>

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group Inc.
Email: talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 22:01:34 +0930
From: Leigh Bunting <lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] Uploading files

Hi All,

After 4 years with my ISP, I have finally decided to make use of the 5Mb
on their server that is allocated to me. I have checked the site and a
page exists. I prepared a short file to test it, as per instructions
called "index.html".

The issue is that I cannot connect to the site using FTP-PM. As per
instuctions I am using the following in the "Open Remote Host" box:

Host=www.adelaide dot net dot au
User=dial-in username
Password=dial-in password

Attached is the ftp error window that appears, at least I hope it
attaches.

The following are the instructions from my ISP (win-centric, of course):

How do I put my own Web pages on the Internet?
Camtech also offer two other services on www.adelaide dot net dot au, mailto
forms  and counters.
Camtech recommend following the instructions below when trying to FTP
your page to your Webspace:
Download WS_FTP (for Windows) or Fetch (for Mac). These programs allow
you to upload your Web pages. Both are freely available from our
toolspage, although they are both also on the Internet Starter Kit (if
you received it on CD-ROM).
When you FTP to your Web directory on www.adelaide dot net dot au your home
directory is where you need to put the default file named index.html
which is the Web page presented when you visit
http://www.adelaide dot net dot au/~USERNAME
Note: USERNAME is your dialup account username
FTP Directory Structure: www.adelaide dot net dot au/~USERNAME/index.html
WS_FTP
To install WSFTP (for Windows 3.x, WindowsNT and Windows95), complete
the
following:
*       From the Camtech tools page click on the WS_FTP icon.
*       Click on the WS_FTP Limited Edition 4.6 link in the Ipswitch
Evaluation Downloads page.
*       Fill in the Information page and click on the Finished icon.
*       Select a site and a version (Win95/NT or Win3x) to begin the
download.
*       Once the file is on your computer (ws_ftple.exe for Win95/NT, or
ws_ftp16.exe for Win3x), double-click it.
*       Select "Install WS_FTP LE" and click the "Continue" button.
*       Select the appropriate descriptions and click "Next".
*       Enter the destination directory and click "OK".
*       Enter the preferred local destination directory and click "OK".
Once installed, double-click the WSFTP icon and input the following on
the connect screen:
        Profile Name = WWW
        Host Name/Address = www.adelaide dot net dot au
        Host Type = Automatic Detect
        User ID = Your dial-in username
        Password = Your dial-in password
The program screen will show your hard-drive on the left-hand pane, and
your web space on the right-hand pane. All you will have to do is select
your new index.html on your hard-drive, click the To Web Arrow, and it
will replace the existing index.html.

Any ideas?

--
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/

3================================================

Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 22:01:34 +0930
From: Leigh Bunting <lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] Uploading files

Hi All,

After 4 years with my ISP, I have finally decided to make use of the 5Mb
on their server that is allocated to me. I have checked the site and a
page exists. I prepared a short file to test it, as per instructions
called "index.html".

The issue is that I cannot connect to the site using FTP-PM. As per
instuctions I am using the following in the "Open Remote Host" box:

Host=www.adelaide dot net dot au
User=dial-in username
Password=dial-in password

Attached is the ftp error window that appears, at least I hope it
attaches.

The following are the instructions from my ISP (win-centric, of course):

How do I put my own Web pages on the Internet?
Camtech also offer two other services on www.adelaide dot net dot au, mailto
forms  and counters.
Camtech recommend following the instructions below when trying to FTP
your page to your Webspace:
Download WS_FTP (for Windows) or Fetch (for Mac). These programs allow
you to upload your Web pages. Both are freely available from our
toolspage, although they are both also on the Internet Starter Kit (if
you received it on CD-ROM).
When you FTP to your Web directory on www.adelaide dot net dot au your home
directory is where you need to put the default file named index.html
which is the Web page presented when you visit
http://www.adelaide dot net dot au/~USERNAME
Note: USERNAME is your dialup account username
FTP Directory Structure: www.adelaide dot net dot au/~USERNAME/index.html
WS_FTP
To install WSFTP (for Windows 3.x, WindowsNT and Windows95), complete
the
following:
*       From the Camtech tools page click on the WS_FTP icon.
*       Click on the WS_FTP Limited Edition 4.6 link in the Ipswitch
Evaluation Downloads page.
*       Fill in the Information page and click on the Finished icon.
*       Select a site and a version (Win95/NT or Win3x) to begin the
download.
*       Once the file is on your computer (ws_ftple.exe for Win95/NT, or
ws_ftp16.exe for Win3x), double-click it.
*       Select "Install WS_FTP LE" and click the "Continue" button.
*       Select the appropriate descriptions and click "Next".
*       Enter the destination directory and click "OK".
*       Enter the preferred local destination directory and click "OK".
Once installed, double-click the WSFTP icon and input the following on
the connect screen:
        Profile Name = WWW
        Host Name/Address = www.adelaide dot net dot au
        Host Type = Automatic Detect
        User ID = Your dial-in username
        Password = Your dial-in password
The program screen will show your hard-drive on the left-hand pane, and
your web space on the right-hand pane. All you will have to do is select
your new index.html on your hard-drive, click the To Web Arrow, and it
will replace the existing index.html.

Any ideas?

--
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/

4================================================

From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 22:49:22 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Uploading files

Hi Leigh

>The issue is that I cannot connect to the site using FTP-PM. As per
>instuctions I am using the following in the "Open Remote Host" box:
>
>Host=www.adelaide dot net dot au/    <= leave the slash off.
>User=dial-in username
>Password=dial-in password

Some other settings to try.

Host = 203.108.8.66
Account = normal
User = lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au

The above host shouldnt work but I have seen one
ISP who didnt know how to setup there own FTP server.

The above username is required with some ISP's depending
on if they are reselling from someone like connect dot com dot au

Cheers
Ian Manners

5================================================

Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:04:53 +1100
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Uploading files

Leigh,

To start with, why not use the Built in publish function of Netscape Composer
??

Open the page from you harddisk in Composer - make sure it looks OK,

Go to file / publish and an entry screen will be displayed.

Change the title box to contain the title you want to appear on the top of the
page
when someone opens your webpage.

HTML filename should already be filled in and as you said, the standard for
the first
page is index.html (although index.htm, Default.htm and Default.html will
often also
work).

In the location to publish to you should enter ftp://adelaide dot net dot au (note NO
end slash)

Your username and password in the appropriate fields and make sure that "files

associated with this page" radio button is on, so that graphics are
transferred and
press the OK button.

This is how I put my first page up last night ! - Checkout:

http://www.users.bigpond dot net dot au/edurrant

Cheers

Ed.

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Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:02:11 +0930
From: Leigh Bunting <lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Uploading files

Sorry about the double posting, something stuffed up at my end when I
was sending messages and they didn't disappear from my unsent messages
folder.

Ian Manners wrote:

> >Host=www.adelaide dot net dot au/    <= leave the slash off.

Oops. a typo - I did know not to add the slash.

> Some other settings to try.
>
> Host = 203.108.8.66
> Account = normal
> User = lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au
>
> The above host shouldnt work

Yeah - but trouble is it DID!! Eyhah!!

Thanks Ian, but Ed's suggestion didn't work - it kept trying to send
ftp://index.html.

Next issue - my test page had a couple of links in it (natch) but it put
them up as www.adelaide dot net dot au/www.

How do you get rid of the front bit so that the link works?

Thanks for all your help, guys and Ed sure knows how to "kick ass" ;-)

Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/

7================================================

Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:39:33 +1030
From: Gregory Hicks <ghicksatihug dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Uploading files

just a quick note:  must be a M$ product in use at the time, right?

Leigh Bunting wrote:

> Sorry about the double posting, something stuffed up at my end when I
> was sending messages and they didn't disappear from my unsent messages
> folder.
> 
> Ian Manners wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Host=www.adelaide dot net dot au/    <= leave the slash off.
>> 
> 
> Oops. a typo - I did know not to add the slash.
> 
> 
>> Some other settings to try.
>> 
>> Host = 203.108.8.66
>> Account = normal
>> User = lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au
>> 
>> The above host shouldnt work
> 
> 
> Yeah - but trouble is it DID!! Eyhah!!
> 
> Thanks Ian, but Ed's suggestion didn't work - it kept trying to send
> ftp://index.html.
> 
> Next issue - my test page had a couple of links in it (natch) but it put
> them up as www.adelaide dot net dot au/www.
> 
> How do you get rid of the front bit so that the link works?
> 
> Thanks for all your help, guys and Ed sure knows how to "kick ass" ;-)
> 
> Leigh Bunting
> Colonel Light Gardens
> South Australia
> Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
> http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/
> 
> 

8================================================

Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:17:10 -0500
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Uploading files

Leigh,

The simplest way to get rid of additions that you dont want is to open
the HTML file with an editor such as E and simply go through the source
and delete the offending text. A web page is after all only a textual script

when all is said and done - there's no magic!

How did you create the page ? Perhaps with a product customised to work
with adelaide dot net ??

If you opened your page with Netscape composer, when you pressed
file/publish
it's correct that the ftp command would only say ftp://index.html (presuming

that's what your file is called). I think this would have worked correctly.

Cheers

Ed.

9================================================

Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:27:45 -0500
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] It Works !! 

What am I refering to ??

An OS/2 LAN connected to the internet via a cable connection.

I am happy to report with the help of several of you, I am now sat
at my "normal" PC which is in a small home-LAN, it talks to a
firewall / server PC running FX Communications Gateway software
and that PC is talking to the Telstra BigPond Cable modem over
another ethernet connection, having authenticated using a Java client.

In this "windows only" world it's good to see that alternatives DO
work.

Regards,

Ed Durrant.

10================================================

Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:07:17 +1100
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] It Works !!

Not to be outdone,

My iPrimus ADSL works too! 
But, its not as fast or as reliable as your Telstra cable Ed, :(

InJoy Firewall        (http://www.fx.dk)
InJoy PPPoE client    (http://www.fx.dk)
Delegate Proxy Server (http://www.delegate dot org)

Lookout for HOW-TOs on setting up ADSL & Telstra Cable!

Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> What am I refering to ??
> 
> An OS/2 LAN connected to the internet via a cable connection.
> 
> I am happy to report with the help of several of you, I am now sat
> at my "normal" PC which is in a small home-LAN, it talks to a
> firewall / server PC running FX Communications Gateway software
> and that PC is talking to the Telstra BigPond Cable modem over
> another ethernet connection, having authenticated using a Java client.
> 
> In this "windows only" world it's good to see that alternatives DO
> work.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ed Durrant.
> 

-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300

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Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:11:45 +1100
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: [os2genau] Subscribing

Err,
Now that this listserv runs off os2 dot org dot au
How do you subscribe?
http://www. needs to be updated

I've got some-one else who whould like to subscribe, I need
instructions.

-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300

12================================================

From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:37:09 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau] List Update

Hi Daryl

>Now that this listserv runs off os2 dot org dot au
>How do you subscribe?

I'm working on a list page, all the code works just need to
get sendmail going for internal use only (Perl scripts)

This should be finished by Sunday, then I will put the
URL on the bottom of each email sent from the list.

http://www.os2site.com/list/

>http://www. needs to be updated

And Ed got in with FTP quick last night :-)
(Its all logged)

>I've got some-one else who whould like to subscribe, I need
>instructions.

see above, get the person concerned to do it from his email
account, or send John or myself his email address and one of
us can do it.

12================================================

Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 19:53:28 -0500
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] It Works !!

Hi Michael,

  Well for accessing Optus at home, you'll need to know what authentication method
they use. In the case of Telstra Big Pond, its a proprietry solution however since there
is a linux/Java authentication client available, this is what I use.

  The FX communications (aka Injoy) site suggests that some cable internet connections
now run PPP over Ethernet (as do all ADSL solutions). If this is the case then the injoy
products are probably your best bet.

 If you want to share the one connection over several PCs on a LAN, then you'll need
the Firewall product that comes with NAT and can have PPPoE and firewall plug-ins
added. Check out Bjarne's site   http://www.fx.dk  to see what your options are. What
is very good is that you can download and test the various components and then once
everything is working those components you need. There is one ceveat however and
that is that the PPPoE plugin is not available to be installed in the demo version of
the firewall but you can test using the demo version of the full PPPoE client (as
opposed to the plugin) and since it uses  common code you can be sure if the
connection works with the PPPoE client it'll also work with the firewall/gateway
with the plug-in.

If you only need to connect one PC, you don't need the firewall/gateway, although
it adds security, you can simply go with the PPPoE client.

This all assumes that Optus at Home uses PPPoE - Perhaps someone else on the
listserve can confirm or deny this ??  If you have the Windoze software at present
this my also tell you.

Good luck

Ed.

Michael Block wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:27:45 -0500, Ed Durrant wrote:
>
> >and that PC is talking to the Telstra BigPond Cable modem over
>
> I'd love some ideas. I'm about to do the same thing with optusathome. I thought that I'd try to use InJoy but if there is an alternative....
> regards
>
> Michael Block
> ---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus
>
> http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html
> The www home of perinatal psychiatry

13==============================================

Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:29:34 +1100
From: David Halprin <davidlazatnet2000 dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] Any one for JPEGTRAN????

John
I spoke to you a month or two ago about a JPEG conversion program called
JPEGTRAN, which seems to have the seal of approval by the aficionados,
and it is written in such a way that it can be adapted to just about any
platform.
However, I read the directions in the attached zip file and I think I
would have a better chance at translating Sanskrit into Chinese.
Please would you or any of the readership have a look at it and see if
it is worthy of our attention, and if so, how to adapt it to the OS/2
and Windows platforms.
Many thanks
David Halprin

---------------------------------------------------------------
AXP OpenVMS Cluster Help JPEGTRAN
Copyright: See information provided with the package.
JPEGTRAN
       jpegtran - lossless transcoding of JPEG files

               jpegtran [options] [filename]

 jpegtran translates JPEG files from one variant of JPEG to another, for

 example from baseline JPEG to progressive JPEG. The transformation is
 lossless: no image degradation occurs, which would not be true if you
 used djpeg followed by cjpeg .    However, you cannot alter the image
 quality, because that would not be a lossless operation. jpegtran reads

 the named JPEG/JFIF file, or the standard input if no file is named,
 and produces a JPEG/JFIF file on the standard output.

Additional information available:
OPTIONS         AdvancedOptions WizardOptions   EXAMPLES
Environment
SEE_ALSO        AUTHOR          BUGS

14==============================================

Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:07:39 -0500
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] It Works !!

You run the separate PPPoE client rather than the plug-in, why's that ?

Ed.

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Not to be outdone,
>
> My iPrimus ADSL works too!
> But, its not as fast or as reliable as your Telstra cable Ed, :(
>
> InJoy Firewall        (http://www.fx.dk)
> InJoy PPPoE client    (http://www.fx.dk)
> Delegate Proxy Server (http://www.delegate dot org)
>
> Lookout for HOW-TOs on setting up ADSL & Telstra Cable!
>
> Ed Durrant wrote:
> >
> > What am I refering to ??
> >
> > An OS/2 LAN connected to the internet via a cable connection.
> >
> > I am happy to report with the help of several of you, I am now sat
> > at my "normal" PC which is in a small home-LAN, it talks to a
> > firewall / server PC running FX Communications Gateway software
> > and that PC is talking to the Telstra BigPond Cable modem over
> > another ethernet connection, having authenticated using a Java client.
> >
> > In this "windows only" world it's good to see that alternatives DO
> > work.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ed Durrant.
> >
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Daryl  Pilkington
>
> //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
>
>         email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
>           ICQ: 91914134
>           Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
>           Mob: +61-425-251-300

15==============================================

Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:09:16 -0500
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Subscribing

Read the bottom of your own note Daryl, the instructions are added
on to the bottom.

Ian, is it Major Major or something else tht you are using on the
listserve ??

Ed Durrant.

Daryl Pilkington wrote:

> Err,
> Now that this listserv runs off os2 dot org dot au
> How do you subscribe?
> http://www. needs to be updated
>
> I've got some-one else who whould like to subscribe, I need
> instructions.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Daryl  Pilkington
>
> //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
>
>         email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
>           ICQ: 91914134
>           Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
>           Mob: +61-425-251-300

16==============================================

Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:10:48 -0500
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] It Works !!

This is one for Daryl to answer - he's running ADSL.

Cheers,

Ed.

Gavin Miller wrote:

> G'day Ed,
>
> What about ADSL on a stand alone home PC?
>
> G.M.

17==============================================

Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:28:27 +1100
From: Big_Pond_Cable <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Subscribing

Whoops! My error, there is only text on how to unsubscribe not how
to subscribe. I must have been thinking of a different listserve group.

Ed.

Ed Durrant wrote:

> Read the bottom of your own note Daryl, the instructions are added
> on to the bottom.
>
> Ian, is it Major Major or something else tht you are using on the
> listserve ??
>
> Ed Durrant.
>
> Daryl Pilkington wrote:
>
> > Err,
> > Now that this listserv runs off os2 dot org dot au
> > How do you subscribe?
> > http://www. needs to be updated
> >
> > I've got some-one else who whould like to subscribe, I need
> > instructions.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Daryl  Pilkington
> >
> > //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> > O<O  AUSTRALIA
> > \_/
> > <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
> >      IBM Certified Systems Expert
> >
> >         email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
> >           ICQ: 91914134
> >           Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
> >           Mob: +61-425-251-300

18==============================================

Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:44:25 +0930
From: Leigh Bunting <lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Uploading files

Gregory Hicks wrote:

> just a quick note:  must be a M$ product in use at the time, right?

Nope. Good old NN 4.61
--
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/

19==============================================

From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:40:07 +1000 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Subscribing

On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:28:27 +1100, Big_Pond_Cable wrote:

>Whoops! My error, there is only text on how to unsubscribe not how
>to subscribe. I must have been thinking of a different listserve group.

Er, Ed you could, um, remove the "un" and give it a try...

Remember, this is the logical OS/2 field here not the maddening hell
of Win-world

<GD&R>

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... OS/2: Logic, not magic.

20==============================================

Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:52:05 +0930
From: Leigh Bunting <lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] It Works !!

Ed Durrant wrote:

> An OS/2 LAN connected to the internet via a cable connection.

That's great Ed. It feels very nice when you actually win one!!
--
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/

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Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 22:08:21 +0930
From: Leigh Bunting <lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Uploading files

Ed Durrant wrote:

> The simplest way to get rid of additions that you dont want is to open the
> HTML file with an editor such as E and simply go through the source and delete
> the offending text. A web page is after all only a textual script when all is
> said and done - there's no magic!

I do html stuff at work on the Intranet, so I'm fairly familiar with it. We have
to use M$ Frontpage but I usually have to go back and re-edit all the crud out
of it directly in the html window, but it seems a little different doing it
outside in the real world or maybe Frontpage and the server handle things a bit
differently.

> How did you create the page ? Perhaps with a product customised to work with
> adelaide dot net ??

Through NS Composer. I have solved the link issue as I didn't put the http:// in
the front of the URL. Doh! So they work fine now.

> If you opened your page with Netscape composer, when you pressed file/publish
> it's correct that the ftp command would only say ftp://index.html (presuming

I worked out that the publishing address actually had to be
http://www.adelaide dot net dot au/~lbunting and that the user name wanted my email
address.  Came back with the message this time that says:  "Error uploading
files The server responded: Your browser sent a message this server
could not understand."  Getting closer than before ;(

Now, when Greg gets around to sending out the template file, I'll get cracking
on the Secretary Page for our web site.
--
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 23:36:15 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau] ListServer Information

Hi Ed

>Ian, is it Major Major or something else tht you are using on the
>listserve ??

Yes, its MajorMajor, a lot of Aussie software, or at least Aussie
compiled software.

=========================================
New server for os2 dot org dot au (use donated by me) is as follows

PIII-450
128Mb RAM
4.7Gb IDE Harddisk
1.9Gb free on server partition
OS/2 Warp v4.5 (FP15) / TCP/IP v4.31
Apache v1.3.19
EMX v0.9d + Pentium extensions
Peter Moylans FTPServer v0.9
Peter Moylans Weasel Mail Server v1.2 
Peter Moylans MajorMajor v1.2
Ians Beta WebList software.
All  servers are backed up daily.

ftp     =  ftp.  (no anonymous allowed)
www  =  www.
mail   =  mail.

Bit of overkill for one main Usergroup page, and
one mailing list :-)

Cheers
Ian B Manners

23==============================================

Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 23:52:21 +1100
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] List Update

Thanks Ian,
The info below is just fine.
Have passed it on to the NZ guy.

Ian Manners wrote:
> 
> Hi Daryl
> 
> >Now that this listserv runs off os2 dot org dot au
> >How do you subscribe?
> 
> I'm working on a list page, all the code works just need to
> get sendmail going for internal use only (Perl scripts)
> 
> This should be finished by Sunday, then I will put the
> URL on the bottom of each email sent from the list.
> 
> http://www.os2site.com/list/
> 
> At Present you can sub & unsub by sending an email to
> 
> listatos2 dot org dot au
> 
> Put in the BODY of the email,
> 
> subscribe os2genau
> 
> or
> 
> unsubscribe os2genau
> 
SNIP
>
-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300

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Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 23:55:18 +1100
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] It Works !!

Hi Ed,
I don't, it is the PPPoE plug-in.
It was just easier to list the software separately.

Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> You run the separate PPPoE client rather than the plug-in, why's that ?
> 
> Ed.
> 
> Daryl Pilkington wrote:
> 
> > Not to be outdone,
> >
> > My iPrimus ADSL works too!
> > But, its not as fast or as reliable as your Telstra cable Ed, :(
> >
> > InJoy Firewall        (http://www.fx.dk)
> > InJoy PPPoE client    (http://www.fx.dk)
> > Delegate Proxy Server (http://www.delegate dot org)
> >
SNIP
>
-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300

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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 00:32:16 +1100
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] It Works !!

Hi Gavin,

Gavin, you will need the following fixes:
MPTS WR08610
TCP/IP 4.0 Applications fix UN_0980
(IBM)
MPTS WR08621
(IBM)
Fix 17524.exe
(http://www.warpupdates.de)

Installed in the above order.

Base operating fixes, known to work:
FixPak 12
FixPak 14, (with kernel updates).

Don't gasp, but the above is known to work, I'm happy to help you get
the above configuration working, as I have extensive experience with it.
I simply don't have the time to try & get earlier versions of the code
working properly, sorry.

You will need the InJoy PPPoE Client.
Where do you live?
What carrier were you considering using?

>
SNIP
> Gavin Miller wrote:
> 
> > G'day Ed,
> >
> > What about ADSL on a stand alone home PC?
> >
> > G.M.
-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300

26==============================================

Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 00:50:31 +1100
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] It Works !!

Hi Michael,
Optusathome merely use DHCP.
You do not need PPPoE.
You do not need anything else.
Ed is correct regarding sharing the one connection.
You will need InJoy Firewall.
> 
SNIP
> 
> Michael Block wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:27:45 -0500, Ed Durrant wrote:
> >
> > >and that PC is talking to the Telstra BigPond Cable modem over
> >
> > I'd love some ideas. I'm about to do the same thing with optusathome. I thought that I'd try to use InJoy but if there is an alternative....
> > regards
> >
> > Michael Block
> > ---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus
> >

-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300

27==============================================

From: mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 05:05:27 +1000
Subject: Re: [os2genau] List Update

Ian
    I take it the list is now fully functional and that I/we can
unsubscribe from yahoogroups? Would you recommend leaving the unsub until
emails are revied from the new list?
    Is the ftp going to be for general access or just for software created
by list members?

Thanks for all the good work. It is most appreciated.

Mark

In <200103091636.000029AXatmail.>, on 03/09/01 
   at 04:37 PM, "Ian Manners" <deadmail> said:

>Hi Daryl

>>Now that this listserv runs off os2 dot org dot au
>>How do you subscribe?

>I'm working on a list page, all the code works just need to
>get sendmail going for internal use only (Perl scripts)

>This should be finished by Sunday, then I will put the
>URL on the bottom of each email sent from the list.

>http://www.os2site.com/list/

>At Present you can sub & unsub by sending an email to

>listatos2 dot org dot au

>Put in the BODY of the email,

>subscribe os2genau

>or

>unsubscribe os2genau

>>http://www. needs to be updated

>And Ed got in with FTP quick last night :-)
>(Its all logged)

>>I've got some-one else who whould like to subscribe, I need
>>instructions.

>see above, get the person concerned to do it from his email
>account, or send John or myself his email address and one of us can do
>it.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 05:05 AM
-----------
"Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies
of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." -----------
Mark Farnham
Mackay, Queensland, Australia.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

28==============================================

From: mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 06:17:59 +1000
Subject: [os2genau] Installation questions

G'day all
    Hope you are all having a happy day or night where ever you may be.

    I'm am intending to do a new installion of Warp this weekend (with
luck) after installing my new 20gb Quantum Fireball and I have a couple of
questions I hope you can help me with.

1: Is it advisable to put the system archives and the swap file on the
same partition? 2: Does making the the intial swap file large eg 128mb
make that much of a difference? 3: After applying FP15 what other files
need to be applied to the system? 4: What fixes need to be applied to
TCP/IP 4.1?
5: When creating partitions am I limited to 21 + A&B + CDrom + Zip drive +
CD burner     (if I can get to work)? 6: What is the file that allows OS/2
to read multi-session CDRW? 7: I know there's a 7 but buggered if I can
think what it is :-)

    All this won't be happen for about 24 hrs as I need sleep and have to
work Saturday nights. All your help will be greatly appreciated.

TIA

Mark
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 06:17 AM
-----------
"Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies
of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." -----------
Mark Farnham
Mackay, Queensland, Australia.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

29==============================================

Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:01:23 -0500
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Installation questions

I know Daryl has answered the code version questions. I'll only comment on
the swap file - general rule of thumb, put it in the root directory of the least
used partition on the most used drive. In an ideal world put it in a partition
of it's own. Make the initial size 10 times the amount of physical memory you
have in your PC (remember the second parameter on the line is the initial size,
the first is the increment should it run out). Like I say in an ideal world where
you have enough space, oh yes make the swap partition at least twice as large
as this initial value. so say 64MB memory - initial size 640MB on a separate
1280MB partition.

For most systems this is overkill but if you have the space ....

oh yes any release after about FP3 can read multisession CDs.

Cheers

Ed.

mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au wrote:

> 1: Is it advisable to put the system archives and the swap file on the
> same partition? 2: Does making the the intial swap file large eg 128mb
> make that much of a difference?

30==============================================

From: "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynoratoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:02:39 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Any one for JPEGTRAN????

David,

Please Do NOT send attached files to the listserver.
Quite a lot of people have slow Internet dialup conections and
the attached file will very severely affect their bandwith and 
increase their on line time.

The correct proceedure would have been to quote the URL where the
file was obtained from, and/or to have sent the attachement PRIVATELY
to John Angelico direct.

Regards,
BobT.

On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:29:34 +1100, David Halprin wrote:

>John
>I spoke to you a month or two ago about a JPEG conversion program called
>JPEGTRAN, which seems to have the seal of approval by the aficionados,
>and it is written in such a way that it can be adapted to just about any
>platform.
>However, I read the directions in the attached zip file and I think I
>would have a better chance at translating Sanskrit into Chinese.
>Please would you or any of the readership have a look at it and see if
>it is worthy of our attention, and if so, how to adapt it to the OS/2
>and Windows platforms.
>Many thanks
>David Halprin
>
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>AXP OpenVMS Cluster Help JPEGTRAN
>Copyright: See information provided with the package.
>JPEGTRAN
>       jpegtran - lossless transcoding of JPEG files
>
>               jpegtran [options] [filename]
>
> jpegtran translates JPEG files from one variant of JPEG to another, for
>
> example from baseline JPEG to progressive JPEG. The transformation is
> lossless: no image degradation occurs, which would not be true if you
> used djpeg followed by cjpeg .    However, you cannot alter the image
> quality, because that would not be a lossless operation. jpegtran reads
>
> the named JPEG/JFIF file, or the standard input if no file is named,
> and produces a JPEG/JFIF file on the standard output.
>
>
>
>Additional information available:
>OPTIONS         AdvancedOptions WizardOptions   EXAMPLES
>Environment
>SEE_ALSO        AUTHOR          BUGS

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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From: "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynoratoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:24:25 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau] Parrallel Port Zip Drives.

Now that the listserver is up, someone quite some time ago enquired
as to availability of a parallel port zip drive under os/2.

IBM appear to have written the code themselves, and not Iomega.
The following is from the Newsgroups.

     Subject:       Two new OS/2 device drivers
        Date:       Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:21:51 -0600 (CST)
        From:       "Barry Bryan" <bbarryatus.ibm dot com>
Organization:       IBM Austin
  Newsgroups:       comp.os.os2.beta, comp.os.os2.advocacy, comp.os.os2.setup.storage

There are two new OS/2 device drivers now available on the OS/2 DDPak    
(http://service.software.ibm dot com/os2ddpak/) that may be of interest to   
some of you.  They're currently beta, but will become "IBM Supported"    
when FVT completes.                                                      

*  Driver for the internal 56K modem on the ThinkPad T20 family.  It's   
   listed under MODEMS/IBM.  Yes, I know this is a WinModem, but it does 
   work under OS/2 with this driver.                                     

*  Driver for Parallel Port-attached ZIP drives, ZIP 100, ZIP Plus, and  
   ZIP 250.  It's listed under REMOVABLE DISKS/IOMEGA.   

Barry Bryan
Program Manager, Spinning Device Support

Regards BobT.

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

32==============================================

From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:02:24 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] List Update

Hi Mark

>    I take it the list is now fully functional and that I/we can
>unsubscribe from yahoogroups? Would you recommend leaving the unsub until
>emails are revied from the new list?

Not sure what John Angelico has planned there but normally I
would leave the other list there for a month to catch the unweary,
and/or, put a notice on that list re the new list.

I see no reason to stay subscribed to yahoo groups though.

>    Is the ftp going to be for general access or just for software created
>by list members?

FTP is basically for the owners of the os2 dot org dot au website and anyone
that is allowed access to the few pages.

I can setup a general FTP access area (away from the os2 dot org dot au web)
for list members with a username and password, as due to the amount
and type of abuse that was happening on os2site, I'm loath to
provide an anonymous service. Even now I'm getting people in
France trying to delete whole directories on os2site, and searching
for ways to break in via FTP. I just hope that Peter Moylans
delete file bug never resurfaces..

I can setup a u/p protected directory for writing and reading
files but with no delete or rename privilege.

I might even be able to link access to the web based
sub/unsub, so the username used for access will be your
email address to the left of the at, and a general easy
to use password, something for the future.

>Thanks for all the good work. It is most appreciated.

OS/2 has done a lot for me over the years, and I
suspect if I had been using Windows, I wouldnt have
the time to learn all that I have, I'd be to busy fighting
fires :-)

Cheers
Ian B Manners

33==============================================

From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:14:20 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau] File Downloads

Hi David

hmm, just noticed that that was a big file !!

Feel free to send me files like that but only OFF LIST,
and I can put it in a web accessible directory at

http://www.os2site dot com/software/incoming/

You can also upload files to this directory
via the "upload" button on the front page of
http://www.os2site dot com/

I'd better look at putting an attatchment stripper filter
into the list software.

Cheers
Ian B Manners

34==============================================

From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:33:29 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Installation questions

Hi Mark

>    Hope you are all having a happy day or night where ever you may be.

>    I'm am intending to do a new installion of Warp this weekend (with
>luck) after installing my new 20gb Quantum Fireball and I have a couple of
>questions I hope you can help me with.
>
>1: Is it advisable to put the system archives and the swap file on the
>same partition?

Generally I would stick to Ed's rule with this, though I dont use
a swap file at all on my own computer, I have the RAM to cope.

 2: Does making the the intial swap file large eg 128mb
>make that much of a difference?

Yes, saves the swap file from resizing/expansion blues
(preformance)

 3: After applying FP15 what other files need to be applied to the system?

Generally:-

http://www.os2site dot com/software/upgrades/upgrades.html

Device Driver Pack #2

> 4: What fixes need to be applied to TCP/IP 4.1?

ftp://service.boulder.ibm dot com/ps/products/tcpip/fixes/v4.1os2/

>5: When creating partitions am I limited to 21 + A&B + CDrom + Zip drive +
>CD burner     (if I can get to work)?

Gee, I wouldnt advise 21 :-)

I normally make a 2Gb boot partition, for OS/2 and my
general Applications (size depends on the Harddisk)

For the swap file (if you only have one HD) I would
create a 1Gb partition for your swap file (in the middle
of disk access) then create one large partition for your
general data.

It really depends, I use Perl and do some Unix/linux
porting, so I have seperate scsi drives for E: & F:

You might want, or need, a Win partition, maybe a Linux
partition.

> 6: What is the file that allows OS/2 to read multi-session CDRW?

Device Driver Pak #2 will take care of that for you.

> 7: I know there's a 7 but buggered if I can think what it is :-)

Isnt that always the way.

Cheers
Ian B Manners

35==============================================

Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 02:23:32 +1100
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: [os2genau] Web-email sites don't work with NS4.61

Hi, 

I am unable to access all the Windows in Web-email sites, for example, I
am unable to send from www.runbox dot com.
After hitting the send button, it tries to connect to www.runbox dot com,
but
eventually times-out.

This problem also occurs with:
http://www.runbox dot com
http://www.hotmail dot com
http://www.excite dot com dot au
http://www.start dot com dot au

Opera on Windows seems fine.
Has anyone got any ideas?

Browser Environment:
Netscape Communicator for OS/2 Warp version 4.61 [en]-000818

Java:
JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-20000323
(JIT enabled: javax V3.5-IBMJDK1.1-20000323)"
-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
\_/
<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
     IBM Certified Systems Expert

        email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
          ICQ: 91914134
          Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
          Mob: +61-425-251-300

36==============================================

From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 04:42:41 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Web-email sites don't work with NS4.61

Hi Daryl

>I am unable to access all the Windows in Web-email sites, for example, I
>am unable to send from www.runbox dot com.
>After hitting the send button, it tries to connect to www.runbox dot com,
>but eventually times-out.

could you make sure the problem is occuring, then run this

netstat -n > netstat.txt
netstat -igmp >> netstat.txt

send us the netstat.txt file

>This problem also occurs with:
>http://www.runbox dot com
>http://www.hotmail dot com
>http://www.excite dot com dot au
>http://www.start dot com dot au

Which problem doesnt occur with these sites ;-)

>Java:
>JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-20000323
>(JIT enabled: javax V3.5-IBMJDK1.1-20000323)"

You have the older Java1.1.8, so thats fine, not that I think
your using java for these sites.

Cheers
Ian B Manners

37==============================================

Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:27:53 +1030
From: Greg Hicks <ghicksatihug dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Web-email sites don't work with NS4.61

Good morning Ian,

I am writing to you for your details so that we may talk about the web site and our
upcoming presence (at last)

Please advise your phone number so we can get the final details in my grubby mits  for
the task at hand.

regards

greg

Ian Manners wrote:

> Hi Daryl
>
> >I am unable to access all the Windows in Web-email sites, for example, I
> >am unable to send from www.runbox dot com.
> >After hitting the send button, it tries to connect to www.runbox dot com,
> >but eventually times-out.
>
> could you make sure the problem is occuring, then run this
>
> netstat -n > netstat.txt
> netstat -igmp >> netstat.txt
>
> send us the netstat.txt file
>
> >This problem also occurs with:
> >http://www.runbox dot com
> >http://www.hotmail dot com
> >http://www.excite dot com dot au
> >http://www.start dot com dot au
>
> Which problem doesnt occur with these sites ;-)
>
> >Java:
> >JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-20000323
> >(JIT enabled: javax V3.5-IBMJDK1.1-20000323)"
>
> You have the older Java1.1.8, so thats fine, not that I think
> your using java for these sites.
>
>
> Cheers
> Ian B Manners
>

38==============================================

From: "Simon Davis" <skiwiatparadise dot net.nz>
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:26:58 +1200 (NZT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] email groups

Folks

I see the email server has changed.
I am immediately missing the daily digest feature of yahoogroups.
Its all very well changing for the sake of proving OS/2 can do it,
but when you loose useful features, or reinvent the wheel you'd have to ask
why.

And since I an now receiving all messages indivually can I as a favour to
those of you who reply to messages in this group.
DONT quote the message you are replying to verbatim.
Just quote the bits you are replying to.
Yahoogroups had the useful feature of being able to view the archive, and
obtaining the context there if necessary, rather than overloading a message
with quotes of quotes.

thanks

S

On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:11:45 +1100, 

39==============================================

From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:27:54 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] email groups

Hi Simon

>I see the email server has changed.

Yes, for a few different reasons, not just because its
hosted on OS/2.

>I am immediately missing the daily digest feature of yahoogroups.

This feature is a few weeks away, then those people that were on
digests will be back on that mode.

>And since I an now receiving all messages indivually can I as a favour to
>those of you who reply to messages in this group.

>DONT quote the message you are replying to verbatim.
>Just quote the bits you are replying to.

Yes, this is common curtesy for all lists, as is turning off html.

I'm messing with a filter to remove attatchments as well, and
Peter Moylan will be adding a remove attatchement feature
to MajorMajor Mailing List some time in the near future.

Cheers
Ian B Manners

40==============================================

Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:44:27 +0930
From: Leigh Bunting <lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] email groups

Simon Davis wrote:

> DONT quote the message you are replying to verbatim.
> Just quote the bits you are replying to.

Unfortuneately, this is a chronic problem to most, dare I say, all e-mail lists. It
drives me nuts when people respond to long e-mails with only a few words, but have the
quotes and requotes of requotes in full detail.
--
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/

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From: Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Installation questions
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:59:02 +1100

There is a driver called JJSCDROM which may do the trick - avaialble on
Hobbes I beleive.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au [SMTP:mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au]
> Sent:	Saturday, 10 March 2001 7:18
> To:	os2genauatos2 dot org dot au; os2useratyahoogroups dot com
> Subject:	[os2genau] Installation questions
> 
>  What is the file that allows OS/2
> to read multi-session CDRW? 7: I know there's a 7 but buggered if I can
> think what it is :-)
> 
>     
Slater & Gordon Solicitors - http://www.slatergordon dot com dot au

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:56:36 +1000 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] List Update

On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:02:24 +1100 (EDT), Ian Manners wrote:

>Hi Mark

Hi Mark and all.

I'm just back after a few days away working, so this is a bit of a
rushed response.

>
>>    I take it the list is now fully functional and that I/we can
>>unsubscribe from yahoogroups? Would you recommend leaving the unsub until
>>emails are revied from the new list?
>
>Not sure what John Angelico has planned there but normally I
>would leave the other list there for a month to catch the unweary,
>and/or, put a notice on that list re the new list.
>
>I see no reason to stay subscribed to yahoo groups though.

Yes, Ian got that right. As soon as you see posts coming through the
new list, I would not be fussed about unsubbing from yahoo. 

I personally will stay on there until the end, to turn out the lights
<g>.

>>    Is the ftp going to be for general access or just for software created
>>by list members?
>
>FTP is basically for the owners of the os2 dot org dot au website and anyone
>that is allowed access to the few pages.
>
>I can setup a general FTP access area (away from the os2 dot org dot au web)
>for list members with a username and password, as due to the amount
>and type of abuse that was happening on os2site, I'm loath to
>provide an anonymous service. Even now I'm getting people in
>France trying to delete whole directories on os2site, and searching
>for ways to break in via FTP. I just hope that Peter Moylans
>delete file bug never resurfaces..
>
>I can setup a u/p protected directory for writing and reading
>files but with no delete or rename privilege.
>
>I might even be able to link access to the web based
>sub/unsub, so the username used for access will be your
>email address to the left of the at, and a general easy
>to use password, something for the future.

Definitely future. We are trying not to overload ourselves with too
much happening at once. As soon as the list settles down to regularly
scheduled user-to-user support, humour, MS-bashing and some flaming
<g>, we will focus on re-building a web presence for Australian OS/2.
Then FTP can come later.

>
>>Thanks for all the good work. It is most appreciated.
>
>OS/2 has done a lot for me over the years, and I
>suspect if I had been using Windows, I wouldnt have
>the time to learn all that I have, I'd be to busy fighting
>fires :-)

Wouldn't we all!

>
>Cheers
>Ian B Manners

Seriously!?? IBM!?? Hey WOW!! Did you know they named a company after
you? <GD&R> 

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 Zealot
Melbourne Victoria, AUSTRALIA
Email: talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... Windows NT: New Trouble.

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:07:44 +1000 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] File Downloads

On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:14:20 +1100 (EDT), Ian Manners wrote:

>Hi David
>
>hmm, just noticed that that was a big file !!
>

Yeah, it did take a while to d/l.<g>

For information of the list, David H sent me an attachment with ZIP
of the Independent JPEG Group release of JPG software.

Here is a slice out of the ReadMe
file:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++
The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG software
==========================================

README for release 6b of 27-Mar-1998
====================================

This distribution contains the sixth public release of the
Independent JPEG
Group's free JPEG software.  You are welcome to redistribute this
software and
to use it for any purpose, subject to the conditions under LEGAL
ISSUES, below.

Serious users of this software (particularly those incorporating it
into
larger programs) should contact IJG at jpeg-infoatuunet.uu dot net to be
added to
our electronic mailing list.  Mailing list members are notified of
updates
and have a chance to participate in technical discussions, etc.

This software is the work of Tom Lane, Philip Gladstone, Jim Boucher,
Lee Crocker, Julian Minguillon, Luis Ortiz, George Phillips, Davide
Rossi,
Guido Vollbeding, Ge' Weijers, and other members of the Independent
JPEG
Group.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++

II think it is mainly of interest to developers of jpg reading or
writing software (like PMView).

So thanks David, but it will be of limited value now. It was probably
very important when released. We now see the fruit in products like
say Netscape and PMView.

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... It was clearly and simply explained on page 542,839 of the docs.

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:32:08 +1000 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] email groups

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:26:58 +1200 (NZT), Simon Davis wrote:

>Folks
>
>I see the email server has changed.
>I am immediately missing the daily digest feature of yahoogroups.
>Its all very well changing for the sake of proving OS/2 can do it,
>but when you loose useful features, or reinvent the wheel you'd have to ask
>why.

Hi Simon.

Ian will have to reply re (and he may also apologise for) the absence
of digest mode.

I will apologise as moderator because I didn't think of it (Duh!
Slaps forehead with hand and smashes face into keyboard ... qweh
owehfegvnold'fa ksjg) <G>

I can at least reply to the other bits.

We didn't change to prove that OS/2 can do it, or to merely re-invent
the wheel.

The reasons were thus:
a) advertising was getting on our nerves, and there was the potential
to advertise things we would disagree with (like the latest MS Back
Office Pack deal or something equally preposterous)
b) when yahoo took over egroups, their proposed copyright policy was
excessively restrictive
c) maintenance via the web interface involved too many screens, and a
lot of fiddling around for me and  
d) with more web mail sites being attacked, we also faced the risks
of more spamming (or worse) although we are thankful that our time
with egroups didn't seem to generate any floods of spam - so their
anti-spam techniques must have done a pretty good job.  

Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------

PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico
.... Old programmers never die. They branch to a new address.

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:03:26 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: [os2genau] List Update

Hi everyone

We have the list page up and running at

http://www.os2site.com/list/

We also have Digest mode up and running (well, its worked
ok in the tests),

I will swap those people who were previously on digest mode
over tomorrow (Wed) night, unless they have already unsubscribed
from os2genau, and already subscribed to os2genau_digest.

Testra have continueing Cable & ADSL problems, so 
those using cable and ADSL, (Hi Ed, I've got error messages
trying to post to you to), the problems not me ;-)

I am also testing the filter for stripping attatchments and
HTML from emails, give me until Friday next week, as I'm
also working on the BIND v9.1 port to OS/2.

And yes, I'm lucky and privileged that there is a company
named after my initials ;->

Cheers
Ian B Manners

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From: e.howardatwriteme dot com
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:04:33 +1000
Subject: Re: [os2genau] List Update

In <200103132301.000029EVatmail.>, on 03/13/2001 
   at 11:03 PM, "Ian Manners" <deadmail> said:

>Hi everyone

>We have the list page up and running at

>http://www.os2site.com/list/

Hi Everyone,

FYI on trying to log on to the list, I got the following message:

Not Found

The requested URL /list was not found on this server.

Apache/1.3.19 Server at www. Port 80

Edward
(Edward G. Howard)
Erina NSW 2250
 
-----------------------------------------------------------
e.howardatwriteme dot com
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: "P.Jenkins" <pjenkinsattell dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] sound card
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:35:25 +1030

Can anyone supply the following information please?
Where can I get a basic PCI sound card to run under os2/eCS
Make
Model
Price
From where
Peter Jenkins 
Port Pirie
pjenkinsattell dot net dot au

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From: "Ian Manners" <deadmail>
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:46:35 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] List Update

Hi Edward

>>http://www.os2site.com/list/

>FYI on trying to log on to the list, I got the following message:
>Not Found
>The requested URL /list was not found on this server.

make sure you put the / after list, is it is above :-)

Cheers
Ian B Manners

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:43:32 -0500
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] List Update

Funny, I just clicked on the URL and up came the page !

"the other" Edward,

Ed Durrant, Sydney NSW

e.howardatwriteme dot com wrote:
> 
> In <200103132301.000029EVatmail.>, on 03/13/2001
>    at 11:03 PM, "Ian Manners" <deadmail> said:
> 
> >Hi everyone
> 
> >We have the list page up and running at
> 
> >http://www.os2site.com/list/
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> FYI on trying to log on to the list, I got the following message:
> 
> Not Found
> 
> The requested URL /list was not found on this server.
> 
> Apache/1.3.19 Server at www. Port 80
> 
> Edward
> (Edward G. Howard)
> Erina NSW 2250
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> e.howardatwriteme dot com
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> 

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:46:16 -0500
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] sound card

It's always good to stay with a major chipset such as those
used by Creative labs or Crystal Technologies, but I can't 
say I've ever installed a PCI (as opposed to ISA) sound card,
nowadays I tend to run the onboard sound chips.

Ed Durrant.

"P.Jenkins" wrote:
> 
> Can anyone supply the following information please?
> Where can I get a basic PCI sound card to run under os2/eCS
> Make
> Model
> Price
> >From where
> Peter Jenkins
> Port Pirie
> pjenkinsattell dot net dot au
> 

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From: "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynoratoptushome dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] WinNT server does have a genuine use..  Yea Mickey.

Hi ALL,

I recently discovered a use for my firms' Windows NT 4.0 server.
It is an ideal habitat for field mice.!

As the nights are getting cooler, the poor mice are seeking warmth and comfort.

When they entered our warehouse (business name withheld to protect yours truly),
they discovered a server machine running (mostly) 24 hrs/day 7 days/week in a 
VERY warm cupboard.  I should add here that this exquisite piece of office
furniture was designed by the Boss, after discarding 90% of my design suggestions.!

I had left the cover off the computer box in a quick and dirty attempt, over our 
recent summer period, to rectify an overheat problem that had occurred within 
the "bowels" of the cupboard.

I received a round of applause from said boss, at the time, particularly as my "fix"
did not cost him anything.

Now back to our hero.
The poor "Mickey" entered the cover-less tower case and discovered a 2nd printer card 
had been plugged into the bottom motherboard ISA slot and that it was an easily 
accessible platform to jump onto.  This was a lot better than being outside in the cold.!

Unfortunately, mice are not very well house trained, and Mickey also mistook this same 
printer card for a toilet (Sans toilet seat, of course.)  :)

Later, we discovered that any print job sent to that particular
attached printer, resulted in heaps of paper printed with garbage.
It looked strangley like the patterns you occassionaly see printed on toilet paper.

It literally gave us the shits trying to figure out what had gone wrong. :)

I then received a round of criticism from said boss at this time, particularly as my 
previous "fix" has NOW has cost HIM $27.50 for a new printer card.

Sigh.  Sometimes you just can't win.

The moral of the story is any one, or all, of the following:-

Never let a Boss design anything, particularly if he is required to pay for it.

Windows NT has at least ONE environmental function - as a toilet for mice.

Some systems ARE made to piss on.

Garbage in, garbage out.  

Yesterdays acclaim is todays condemnation.

Windows NT can accomodate more than one mouse at a time. Is this, I wonder, SMP?
Symmetric Mouse Processing.?

Should we run a competition to see who can come up with the best idea here?
I am open to suggestions.
I hope this little bit of humor brightens up your day as much as it did mine.

BobT.

   ,-._|\       Robert Traynor        (BobT)
 /  Oz  \      email            rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au
 \_,--.x/ 

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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:08:19 +0930
From: Leigh Bunting <lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] sound card

"P.Jenkins" wrote:

> Can anyone supply the following information please?
> Where can I get a basic PCI sound card to run under os2/eCS
> Make:    Eagle
> Model ES 1938
> Price    $23
> >From where :    Datech computers, somewhere on Grange Road

No drivers supplied for OS/2 but available from somewhere on the WWW, I forget where I
got them now.

Cheers,
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/