From wkt at tuhs.org  Mon Mar  1 14:37:56 2010
From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:37:56 +1000
Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website
Message-ID: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>

All, I've spent a bit of time re-writing my "Unix Tree" website, where
you can browse the source code trees and compare related files. The
file comparison now uses colour to show similar lines.

The initial version is at http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl
but I will probably move the URL at some point.

Have a look and see what you think. I would gladly accept suggestions on
better or more accurate descriptions for each of the releases, also checking
of dates and other information.

Cheers,
	Warren
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From grog at lemis.com  Mon Mar  1 14:57:16 2010
From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:57:16 +1100
Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website
In-Reply-To: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com>

On Monday,  1 March 2010 at 14:37:56 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> All, I've spent a bit of time re-writing my "Unix Tree" website, where
> you can browse the source code trees and compare related files. The
> file comparison now uses colour to show similar lines.

Great stuff!

> Have a look and see what you think. I would gladly accept
> suggestions on better or more accurate descriptions for each of the
> releases, also checking of dates and other information.

I'm interested to see that you've put nsys in as the Fourth Edition,
and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31.  I've had this code on my
machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was
the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22.  Have you found
reason to change the timestamps and the version?

Greg
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From grog at lemis.com  Mon Mar  1 14:57:16 2010
From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:57:16 +1100
Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website
In-Reply-To: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com>

On Monday,  1 March 2010 at 14:37:56 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> All, I've spent a bit of time re-writing my "Unix Tree" website, where
> you can browse the source code trees and compare related files. The
> file comparison now uses colour to show similar lines.

Great stuff!

> Have a look and see what you think. I would gladly accept
> suggestions on better or more accurate descriptions for each of the
> releases, also checking of dates and other information.

I'm interested to see that you've put nsys in as the Fourth Edition,
and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31.  I've had this code on my
machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was
the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22.  Have you found
reason to change the timestamps and the version?

Greg
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From wkt at tuhs.org  Mon Mar  1 15:21:49 2010
From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:21:49 +1000
Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website
In-Reply-To: <20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com>
Message-ID: <20100301052149.GA27407@minnie.tuhs.org>

On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 03:57:16PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> I'm interested to see that you've put nsys in as the Fourth Edition,
> and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31.  I've had this code on my
> machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was
> the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22.  Have you found
> reason to change the timestamps and the version?

It's a hard one to categorise, so here is my opinion:

4th Edition, released November 1973, was the first edition with a kernel
written in C; 3rd Edition's kernel was still in assembly. The nsys kernel
has timestamps up to August 31, 1973, so it's only a few months away from
4th Edition, and nsys is a kernel written in C. Therefore, I decided to
categorise nsys under 4th Edition.

Dennis and I had an ongoing discussion about the timestamps in the original
nsys tape. He originally thought the files were dated 22 Jan, 1973. We
worked out that there was a nuxi problem in interpreting the dates, and
Jan 1973 was too early, as the C compiler at that time did not support
structs. So the August 31, 1973 timestamp for the files seems to be correct.

Anyway, I could either put it in V3 or V4, but either way it needs a long
explanation as to why it is placed there.

Cheers,
	Warren
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From cowan at ccil.org  Mon Mar  1 15:32:26 2010
From: cowan at ccil.org (John Cowan)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 00:32:26 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website
In-Reply-To: <20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com>
Message-ID: <20100301053225.GC11579@mercury.ccil.org>

Greg 'groggy' Lehey scripsit:

> I'm interested to see that you've put nsys in as the Fourth Edition,
> and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31.  I've had this code on my
> machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was
> the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22.  Have you found
> reason to change the timestamps and the version?

As I've pointed out before, Editions are snapshots of the manual, and
there's no particular reason to suppose that a given snapshot of the
code corresponds exactly to any one of them.

-- 
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abruptly vanished. The theory that a single         cowan at ccil.org
catastrophic event may have been responsible        http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
has been strengthened by the recent discovery of
a worldwide layer of whipped cream marking the
Creosote-Tutelary boundary.             --Science Made Stupid


From cowan at ccil.org  Mon Mar  1 15:32:26 2010
From: cowan at ccil.org (John Cowan)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 00:32:26 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website
In-Reply-To: <20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com>
Message-ID: <20100301053225.GC11579@mercury.ccil.org>

Greg 'groggy' Lehey scripsit:

> I'm interested to see that you've put nsys in as the Fourth Edition,
> and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31.  I've had this code on my
> machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was
> the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22.  Have you found
> reason to change the timestamps and the version?

As I've pointed out before, Editions are snapshots of the manual, and
there's no particular reason to suppose that a given snapshot of the
code corresponds exactly to any one of them.

-- 
At the end of the Metatarsal Age, the dinosaurs     John Cowan
abruptly vanished. The theory that a single         cowan at ccil.org
catastrophic event may have been responsible        http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
has been strengthened by the recent discovery of
a worldwide layer of whipped cream marking the
Creosote-Tutelary boundary.             --Science Made Stupid
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From grog at lemis.com  Mon Mar  1 16:49:08 2010
From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:49:08 +1100
Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website
In-Reply-To: <20100301052149.GA27407@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com> <20100301052149.GA27407@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <20100301064908.GE37747@dereel.lemis.com>

On Monday,  1 March 2010 at 15:21:49 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 03:57:16PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>> I'm interested to see that you've put nsys in as the Fourth Edition,
>> and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31.  I've had this code on my
>> machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was
>> the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22.  Have you found
>> reason to change the timestamps and the version?
>
> It's a hard one to categorise, so here is my opinion:
>
> ...

Yes, I thought it might be something like that.

> Anyway, I could either put it in V3 or V4, but either way it needs a
> long explanation as to why it is placed there.

It looks to me as if you've made the right choice, but it wouldn't
harm to add your explanation to the web pages.

Greg
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From grog at lemis.com  Mon Mar  1 16:49:08 2010
From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:49:08 +1100
Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website
In-Reply-To: <20100301052149.GA27407@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com>
	<20100301052149.GA27407@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <20100301064908.GE37747@dereel.lemis.com>

On Monday,  1 March 2010 at 15:21:49 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 03:57:16PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>> I'm interested to see that you've put nsys in as the Fourth Edition,
>> and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31.  I've had this code on my
>> machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was
>> the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22.  Have you found
>> reason to change the timestamps and the version?
>
> It's a hard one to categorise, so here is my opinion:
>
> ...

Yes, I thought it might be something like that.

> Anyway, I could either put it in V3 or V4, but either way it needs a
> long explanation as to why it is placed there.

It looks to me as if you've made the right choice, but it wouldn't
harm to add your explanation to the web pages.

Greg
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From cyrille.lefevre-lists at laposte.net  Sun Mar  7 00:27:01 2010
From: cyrille.lefevre-lists at laposte.net (Cyrille Lefevre)
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:27:01 +0100
Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website
In-Reply-To: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>


Warren Toomey a écrit :
> All, I've spent a bit of time re-writing my "Unix Tree" website, where
> you can browse the source code trees and compare related files. The
> file comparison now uses colour to show similar lines.
> 
> The initial version is at http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl
> but I will probably move the URL at some point.
> 
> Have a look and see what you think. I would gladly accept suggestions on
> better or more accurate descriptions for each of the releases, also checking
> of dates and other information.

Hi,

would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored diff instead of the 
scrollable one ? such as the one of cvsweb ?

ex. :

http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/bin/cat/cat.c.diff?r1=1.2&r2=1.46.12.1&f=h

Regards,

Cyrille Lefevre
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From cyrille.lefevre-lists at laposte.net  Sun Mar  7 00:27:01 2010
From: cyrille.lefevre-lists at laposte.net (Cyrille Lefevre)
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:27:01 +0100
Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website
In-Reply-To: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>


Warren Toomey a écrit :
> All, I've spent a bit of time re-writing my "Unix Tree" website, where
> you can browse the source code trees and compare related files. The
> file comparison now uses colour to show similar lines.
> 
> The initial version is at http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl
> but I will probably move the URL at some point.
> 
> Have a look and see what you think. I would gladly accept suggestions on
> better or more accurate descriptions for each of the releases, also checking
> of dates and other information.

Hi,

would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored diff instead of the 
scrollable one ? such as the one of cvsweb ?

ex. :

http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/bin/cat/cat.c.diff?r1=1.2&r2=1.46.12.1&f=h

Regards,

Cyrille Lefevre
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From wkt at tuhs.org  Sun Mar  7 08:33:09 2010
From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:33:09 +1000
Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website
In-Reply-To: <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <20100306223309.GA11796@minnie.tuhs.org>

On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 03:27:01PM +0100, Cyrille Lefevre wrote:
> would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored diff instead of the  
> scrollable one ? such as the one of cvsweb ?

I'll see what I can do :)
	Warren
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From wkt at tuhs.org  Sun Mar  7 12:14:07 2010
From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 12:14:07 +1000
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling
In-Reply-To: <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>

On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 03:27:01PM +0100, Cyrille Lefevre wrote:
> would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored diff instead of the  
> scrollable one ?

I've added side scrolling now. Please have a look at it and see what you think.
My HTML skills are limited, so if someone can suggest some better HTML code,
I'd be happy to try it out. All the HTML is in template form, so it should be
easy enough to try alternatives.

The URL is now officially 	http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree

I also want to add these other releases:
        4BSD
        4.1BSD which one?
        4.2BSD
        4.4BSD
        LSX
        Ultrix-32 which one?
        Venix?

If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know.
Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society.
If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love
to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go
into the hidden vault to keep the bits safe until some day when they can
be let out.

Thanks,
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From neozeed at gmail.com  Sun Mar  7 12:30:42 2010
From: neozeed at gmail.com (Jason Stevens)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:30:42 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling
In-Reply-To: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	 <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
	 <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <46b366131003061830ue9112bcjf0b8989fb2c05a71@mail.gmail.com>

I'd probably ask about that 4.3 Uwisc the wisconson one with the SUN NFS
stuff... and maybe the soviet DEMOS stuff...?

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt at tuhs.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 03:27:01PM +0100, Cyrille Lefevre wrote:
> > would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored diff instead of the
> > scrollable one ?
>
> I've added side scrolling now. Please have a look at it and see what you
> think.
> My HTML skills are limited, so if someone can suggest some better HTML
> code,
> I'd be happy to try it out. All the HTML is in template form, so it should
> be
> easy enough to try alternatives.
>
> The URL is now officially       http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree
>
> I also want to add these other releases:
>        4BSD
>        4.1BSD which one?
>        4.2BSD
>        4.4BSD
>        LSX
>        Ultrix-32 which one?
>        Venix?
>
> If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know.
> Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society.
> If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love
> to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go
> into the hidden vault to keep the bits safe until some day when they can
> be let out.
>
> Thanks,
>        Warren
> _______________________________________________
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From neozeed at gmail.com  Sun Mar  7 12:30:42 2010
From: neozeed at gmail.com (Jason Stevens)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:30:42 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling
In-Reply-To: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
	<20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <46b366131003061830ue9112bcjf0b8989fb2c05a71@mail.gmail.com>

I'd probably ask about that 4.3 Uwisc the wisconson one with the SUN NFS
stuff... and maybe the soviet DEMOS stuff...?

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt at tuhs.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 03:27:01PM +0100, Cyrille Lefevre wrote:
> > would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored diff instead of the
> > scrollable one ?
>
> I've added side scrolling now. Please have a look at it and see what you
> think.
> My HTML skills are limited, so if someone can suggest some better HTML
> code,
> I'd be happy to try it out. All the HTML is in template form, so it should
> be
> easy enough to try alternatives.
>
> The URL is now officially       http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree
>
> I also want to add these other releases:
>        4BSD
>        4.1BSD which one?
>        4.2BSD
>        4.4BSD
>        LSX
>        Ultrix-32 which one?
>        Venix?
>
> If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know.
> Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society.
> If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love
> to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go
> into the hidden vault to keep the bits safe until some day when they can
> be let out.
>
> Thanks,
>        Warren
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
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From lm at bitmover.com  Sun Mar  7 15:15:14 2010
From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:15:14 -0800
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling
In-Reply-To: <46b366131003061830ue9112bcjf0b8989fb2c05a71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> <46b366131003061830ue9112bcjf0b8989fb2c05a71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100307051514.GC24920@bitmover.com>

On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 09:30:42PM -0500, Jason Stevens wrote:
> I'd probably ask about that 4.3 Uwisc the wisconson one with the SUN NFS

Heh.  I was at Uwisc when that work was being done.  That was a pretty
cool time.
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From lm at bitmover.com  Sun Mar  7 15:14:08 2010
From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:14:08 -0800
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling
In-Reply-To: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <20100307051407.GB24920@bitmover.com>

> I also want to add these other releases:
>         4BSD
>         4.1BSD which one?

4.1c was the one that worked, right?

>         4.2BSD

No 4.3?  That was a nice one.

>         4.4BSD
>         LSX
>         Ultrix-32 which one?
>         Venix?
> 
> If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know.
> Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society.
> If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love
> to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go

SysVR4.2 was never my favorite.  System V in general was a poor excuse
for a Unix release.  We still have SCO running here and it's pretty 
close to Sys V and, well, yuck.  And I speak as the guy who added
TCP/IP networking to SCO.  If I had any fondness for it I'd be showing it.
-- 
---
Larry McVoy                lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitkeeper.com


From lm at bitmover.com  Sun Mar  7 15:15:14 2010
From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:15:14 -0800
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling
In-Reply-To: <46b366131003061830ue9112bcjf0b8989fb2c05a71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
	<20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<46b366131003061830ue9112bcjf0b8989fb2c05a71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100307051514.GC24920@bitmover.com>

On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 09:30:42PM -0500, Jason Stevens wrote:
> I'd probably ask about that 4.3 Uwisc the wisconson one with the SUN NFS

Heh.  I was at Uwisc when that work was being done.  That was a pretty
cool time.
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From lm at bitmover.com  Sun Mar  7 15:14:08 2010
From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:14:08 -0800
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling
In-Reply-To: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
	<20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <20100307051407.GB24920@bitmover.com>

> I also want to add these other releases:
>         4BSD
>         4.1BSD which one?

4.1c was the one that worked, right?

>         4.2BSD

No 4.3?  That was a nice one.

>         4.4BSD
>         LSX
>         Ultrix-32 which one?
>         Venix?
> 
> If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know.
> Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society.
> If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love
> to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go

SysVR4.2 was never my favorite.  System V in general was a poor excuse
for a Unix release.  We still have SCO running here and it's pretty 
close to Sys V and, well, yuck.  And I speak as the guy who added
TCP/IP networking to SCO.  If I had any fondness for it I'd be showing it.
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From grog at lemis.com  Sun Mar  7 16:02:16 2010
From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:02:16 +1100
Subject: [TUHS] More versions in the tree (was: Unix Tree: side scrolling)
In-Reply-To: <20100307051407.GB24920@bitmover.com>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
	<20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<20100307051407.GB24920@bitmover.com>
Message-ID: <20100307060216.GE98136@dereel.lemis.com>

On Saturday,  6 March 2010 at 21:14:08 -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
>> I also want to add these other releases:
>>         4BSD
>>         4.1BSD which one?
>
> 4.1c was the one that worked, right?

Well, it's interesting as the first operating system with support for
TCP/IP, so I'd vote for that too.

>> I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go ...
>
> SysVR4.2 was never my favorite.  System V in general was a poor
> excuse for a Unix release.

Heh.  All the more reason to have a representative of the branch, so
that people can see for themselves.

> We still have SCO running here and it's pretty close to Sys V

Possibly it would look that way revisited now.  It certainly didn't to
us 20 years ago.  We were running, well, System V.2, and we wanted a
UNIX for our PCs.  We ended up with Interactive, which was a whole lot
better than SCO.

Greg
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From jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de  Sun Mar  7 18:50:04 2010
From: jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (Jochen Kunz)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 09:50:04 +0100
Subject: [TUHS] First TCP/IP implementation (was: Re: More versions in the
 tree (was: Unix Tree: side scrolling))
In-Reply-To: <20100307060216.GE98136@dereel.lemis.com>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
	<20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<20100307051407.GB24920@bitmover.com>
	<20100307060216.GE98136@dereel.lemis.com>
Message-ID: <20100307095004.2dd6a928.jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>

On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:02:16 +1100
Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog at lemis.com> wrote:

> > 4.1c was the one that worked, right?
> Well, it's interesting as the first operating system with support for
> TCP/IP, so I'd vote for that too.
Wasn't the first TCP/IP implementation done at BBN on a PDP-10 running
TOPS-10?
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From cyrille.lefevre-lists at laposte.net  Sun Mar  7 22:08:56 2010
From: cyrille.lefevre-lists at laposte.net (Cyrille Lefevre)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:08:56 +0100
Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website
In-Reply-To: <20100306223309.GA11796@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100306223309.GA11796@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <4B939758.4010000@laposte.net>


Warren Toomey a écrit :
> On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 03:27:01PM +0100, Cyrille Lefevre wrote:
>> would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored diff instead of the  
>> scrollable one ? such as the one of cvsweb ?
> 
> I'll see what I can do :)
> 	Warren

thanks, see you.

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From neozeed at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 03:17:26 2010
From: neozeed at gmail.com (Jason Stevens)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 12:17:26 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: demos
In-Reply-To: <20100307134709.GA2730@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	 <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
	 <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
	 <46b366131003061830ue9112bcjf0b8989fb2c05a71@mail.gmail.com>
	 <20100307134709.GA2730@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <46b366131003070917w312d20bbj8fda064b9f8b7fd4@mail.gmail.com>

I found some disk images online that say it's for the PDP-11 version... let
me see what I can pull from them for you.

The UWISC stuff is here:

http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/4BSD/Distributions/thirdparty/UWisc4.3/

<http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/4BSD/Distributions/thirdparty/UWisc4.3/>

On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Warren Toomey <wkt at tuhs.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 09:30:42PM -0500, Jason Stevens wrote:
> > I'd probably ask about that 4.3 Uwisc the wisconson one with the SUN NFS
> > stuff... and maybe the soviet DEMOS stuff...?
>
> Do you have the demos stuff? I have a pile of files, but it's all a jumble.
> If you have it, could you sit down a create a sensible tree of text-only
> files (i.e. no binary files) which I could add to the Unix Tree?
>
> I'll see if I have 4.3 Uwisc here too.
>
> Thanks,
>         Warren
>
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From neozeed at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 10:06:28 2010
From: neozeed at gmail.com (Jason Stevens)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:06:28 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: demos
In-Reply-To: <20100307220030.GA14913@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	 <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
	 <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
	 <46b366131003061830ue9112bcjf0b8989fb2c05a71@mail.gmail.com>
	 <20100307134709.GA2730@minnie.tuhs.org>
	 <46b366131003070917w312d20bbj8fda064b9f8b7fd4@mail.gmail.com>
	 <20100307220030.GA14913@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <46b366131003071606i32fb3ea0n9cbccfd834514ef9@mail.gmail.com>

I hate to say it but the demos stuff I found here
http://pdp-11.ru/mybk/pdp11/DEMOS.RAR

Seems to not include full source... I haven't gotten SIMH to boot the thing,
nor some of the... "interesting" Russian PDP-11 emulators..  I ran strings
through the disks, and I got some basic header files, oddly all in English,
but no kernel or system source code, just some Fortran example....

I'll have to ask someone in Russia if they have any real solid leads on
DEMOS... It seems that once the Soviet Union fell, everyone abandoned DEMOS
for any of the BSD's...

On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt at tuhs.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 12:17:26PM -0500, Jason Stevens wrote:
> > I found some disk images online that say it's for the PDP-11 version...
> let
> > me see what I can pull from them for you.
> > The UWISC stuff is here:
> > http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/4BSD/Distributions/thirdparty/UWisc4.3/
>
> Thanks Jason!
>         Warren
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From neozeed at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 10:26:42 2010
From: neozeed at gmail.com (Jason Stevens)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:26:42 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: demos
In-Reply-To: <20100308002343.GA19216@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <4b94445a.47c1f10a.7312.18d0@mx.google.com>

Yeah, that'd be great! I've heard it's v6 with lots of bsd.. But it'd be cool to look at it!



-- Sent from my Palm Prē
On Mar 7, 2010 7:23 PM, Warren Toomey &lt;wkt at tuhs.org&gt; wrote: 

On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 07:06:28PM -0500, Jason Stevens wrote:

&gt; Seems to not include full source... I haven't gotten SIMH to boot the thing,

&gt; nor some of the... "interesting" Russian PDP-11 emulators..  I ran strings

&gt; through the disks, and I got some basic header files, oddly all in English,

&gt; but no kernel or system source code, just some Fortran example....

&gt; I'll have to ask someone in Russia if they have any real solid leads on

&gt; DEMOS... It seems that once the Soviet Union fell, everyone abandoned DEMOS

&gt; for any of the BSD's...



I can put up a tarball of the stuff I have for you, if you want.

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From neozeed at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 10:34:11 2010
From: neozeed at gmail.com (Jason Stevens)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:34:11 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: demos
In-Reply-To: <20100308002622.GA19400@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	 <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
	 <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
	 <46b366131003061830ue9112bcjf0b8989fb2c05a71@mail.gmail.com>
	 <20100307134709.GA2730@minnie.tuhs.org>
	 <46b366131003070917w312d20bbj8fda064b9f8b7fd4@mail.gmail.com>
	 <20100307220030.GA14913@minnie.tuhs.org>
	 <46b366131003071606i32fb3ea0n9cbccfd834514ef9@mail.gmail.com>
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Cool just downloaded it.... seems whoever put it together really liked
gzip... ;)



On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt at tuhs.org> wrote:

> http://minnie.tuhs.org/Z/demos.tar.gz
>
> Let me know when you got it.
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From wkt at tuhs.org  Mon Mar  8 11:48:30 2010
From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:48:30 +1000
Subject: [TUHS]  hyphen.c, was Unix Tree
In-Reply-To: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
	<20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <20100308014830.GA21992@minnie.tuhs.org>

As an interesting side-note, last year when we were trying to recover
the Second Edition commands source code from the s1-bits.gz DECtape image,
there was a leftover file which I labelled unknown.c.

The Unix tree now shows that V2 unknown.c is actually hyphen.c, which
reappears in System III:

	http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V2/cmd/unknown.c

Now, does anybody know what happened to hyphen.c between mid-1972 and
mid-1980? There is a hyphen(1) V3 manual and a hyphen(6) V4 manual.

Could it have gone off towards PWB or CB UNIX or UNIX/TS?

I wish we could get copies of CB UNIX or UNIX/TS or MERT :-S

Cheers,
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From dpeschel at eskimo.com  Mon Mar  8 14:25:34 2010
From: dpeschel at eskimo.com (Derek Peschel)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 20:25:34 -0800
Subject: [TUHS]  hyphen.c, was Unix Tree
In-Reply-To: <20100308014830.GA21992@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> <20100308014830.GA21992@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <5272AFCB-C6BE-4B68-AFD8-03531796377B@eskimo.com>

On Mar 7, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Warren Toomey wrote:
> I wish we could get copies of CB UNIX or UNIX/TS or MERT :-S

Absolutely!  Even MERT documentation would be interesting.  The other  
two systems you mention are probably interesting too, except that I've  
never even heard about them so I can't say.

For the record, I've posted a couple of times to the list asking  
various esoteric questions about virtualization.  That's why I'm  
interested in MERT in particular.

-- Derek


From iking at killthewabbit.org  Mon Mar  8 15:59:29 2010
From: iking at killthewabbit.org (Ian King)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 21:59:29 -0800
Subject: [TUHS]  hyphen.c, was Unix Tree
In-Reply-To: <20100308014830.GA21992@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> <20100308014830.GA21992@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <5F3D8F71-A6B1-4AD5-BC14-28ED5BECD965@killthewabbit.org>

Hey Warren, you know what they say: wish in one hand, do something  
else in the other....  :-)

Speaking of wishing: any news from Mr. Ritchie on PDP-7 UNIX  
fragments?  We're getting closer to having our -7 running, likely  
before summer here in the Other Hemisphere.  BTW, do you know  
anything of the whereabouts of LISP for the -7?  I know it existed,  
as a descendant of the PDP-1 interpreter, but I have had no luck so  
far finding it.  I may just write one of my own, premised on the  
functionality of the -1 version, but for history's sake I'd love to  
find a paper tape (or image thereof) of the original -7  
implementation.  Wishing in my one hand....  Cheers -- Ian

On Mar 7, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Warren Toomey wrote:

> As an interesting side-note, last year when we were trying to recover
> the Second Edition commands source code from the s1-bits.gz DECtape  
> image,
> there was a leftover file which I labelled unknown.c.
>
> The Unix tree now shows that V2 unknown.c is actually hyphen.c, which
> reappears in System III:
>
> 	http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V2/cmd/unknown.c
>
> Now, does anybody know what happened to hyphen.c between mid-1972 and
> mid-1980? There is a hyphen(1) V3 manual and a hyphen(6) V4 manual.
>
> Could it have gone off towards PWB or CB UNIX or UNIX/TS?
>
> I wish we could get copies of CB UNIX or UNIX/TS or MERT :-S
>
> Cheers,
> 	Warren
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From newsham at lava.net  Tue Mar  9 06:59:54 2010
From: newsham at lava.net (Tim Newsham)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:59:54 -1000 (HST)
Subject: [TUHS] mnos and demos
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.64.1003081057530.27466@malasada.lava.net>

Do repositories of MNOS and DEMOS operating system source
code or binaries exist?  Do either of these run on simh
or other simulators?  (were the PDP11 and VAX11 knockoffs
close enough matches to the originals?)

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From neozeed at gmail.com  Tue Mar  9 07:22:59 2010
From: neozeed at gmail.com (Jason Stevens)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:22:59 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] mnos and demos
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.64.1003081057530.27466@malasada.lava.net>
References: <Pine.BSI.4.64.1003081057530.27466@malasada.lava.net>
Message-ID: <46b366131003081322p675d1a75sc96db2694e6497aa@mail.gmail.com>

There is this..

http://pdp-11.ru/mybk/pdp11/DEMOS.RAR

which looks like a bunch of disk images, but they didn't boot for me either
in SIMH or a few russian pdp-11 emulators.....

Although a little bit of googleing seems to reveal that the soviet pdp-11's
had video cards, and were geared more as "PC's" then as mini computers...

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Tim Newsham <newsham at lava.net> wrote:

> Do repositories of MNOS and DEMOS operating system source
> code or binaries exist?  Do either of these run on simh
> or other simulators?  (were the PDP11 and VAX11 knockoffs
> close enough matches to the originals?)
>
> Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com
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From newsham at lava.net  Tue Mar  9 07:48:31 2010
From: newsham at lava.net (Tim Newsham)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:48:31 -1000 (HST)
Subject: [TUHS] mnos and demos
In-Reply-To: <46b366131003081322p675d1a75sc96db2694e6497aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSI.4.64.1003081057530.27466@malasada.lava.net>
	<46b366131003081322p675d1a75sc96db2694e6497aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.64.1003081147210.27466@malasada.lava.net>

> http://pdp-11.ru/mybk/pdp11/DEMOS.RAR

Interesting!

$ (cat ../U[12345].DK) | tar -xf -
tar: Removing leading '/' from member names
$ ls
./              READ_GRAF       bin/            lib/            usr/
../             READ_LP         dev/            mnt/
.cshrc          TEST/           etc/            tmp/


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From lbickley at bickleywest.com  Tue Mar  9 08:03:36 2010
From: lbickley at bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:03:36 -0800
Subject: [TUHS] mnos and demos
In-Reply-To: <46b366131003081322p675d1a75sc96db2694e6497aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSI.4.64.1003081057530.27466@malasada.lava.net>
	<46b366131003081322p675d1a75sc96db2694e6497aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201003081403.36912.lbickley@bickleywest.com>

On Monday 08 March 2010, Jason Stevens wrote:
> There is this..
> 
> http://pdp-11.ru/mybk/pdp11/DEMOS.RAR

After extracting the *.DK from the RAR archive, I found that U1.DK is a tar.
the bin directory contains:

[    cc     cp    df       echo   file  ln     make   nice    ps     restor  size   su    time    wf
adb  chgrp  cpfd  diff     ed     find  login  man    nm      pstat  rm      sleep  sync  touch
ar   chmod  csh   du       expr   grep  ls     mkdir  nroff   pwd    rmail   sort   tail  true
as   chown  date  dump     false  kill  lx     mount  od      re     rmdir   strip  tee   umount
cat  cmp    dd    dumpdir  fgrep  ld    mail   mv     passwd  red    rpl     stty   test  wc

All of the above are PDP-11 executables.

A "TEST" directory contains:

ctest.c:    ISO-8859 C program text
f77test1.f: ASCII text
f77test2.f: ISO-8859 text
hdr:        ISO-8859 text
kcgd:       PDP-11 executable not stripped
main:       ISO-8859 text
primer:     ISO-8859 text
printend:   ISO-8859 text
PROT:       ISO-8859 text, with escape sequences
run_test:   POSIX shell script text
t1:         ISO-8859 text
t2:         ISO-8859 text
t3:         C shell script text
t4:         ISO-8859 text
t5:         ISO-8859 text
t6:         ISO-8859 text
test1.sc:   ISO-8859 text
test2.sc:   ISO-8859 text
test3.sc:   ISO-8859 text
test4.sc:   ISO-8859 text
text:       ISO-8859 C program text
text.std:   ISO-8859 text

Will futz around with the other .DK files when I have more time...

> which looks like a bunch of disk images, but they didn't boot for me either
> in SIMH or a few russian pdp-11 emulators.....

Perhaps they are Dectape or other tape type???

--snip--

Cheers,
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From wkt at tuhs.org  Tue Mar  9 11:37:23 2010
From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:37:23 +1000
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: 4BSDs now in
In-Reply-To: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
	<20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <20100309013723.GA25661@minnie.tuhs.org>

On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 12:14:07PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> I also want to add these other releases:
>         4BSD
>         4.1BSD which one?
>         4.2BSD
>         4.4BSD
>         LSX

A fair sampling of the 4BSDs and LSX are now in the Unix Tree.
I haven't put 4.3-Tahoe in, but 4.3 and 4.3-Reno are in. What do
you think, is -Tahoe different enough to be a useful addition?

Thanks,
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From cyrille.lefevre-lists at laposte.net  Tue Mar  9 19:38:39 2010
From: cyrille.lefevre-lists at laposte.net (Cyrille Lefevre)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:38:39 +0100
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling
In-Reply-To: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>	<4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
	<20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <4B96171F.5070104@laposte.net>


Warren Toomey a écrit :
> If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know.
> Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society.
> If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love
> to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go
> into the hidden vault to keep the bits safe until some day when they can
> be let out.

Hi,

things I have :

irix 6.5.5
osf1 1.0.0
solaris 2.6
sunos 4.1.3
sunos 4.1.4
ultrix 2.0
ultrix 4.2
ultrix 4.3
usl 4.2 aka SVR4.2

most in source and binary form.

things I want :

hp-ux 9.x, 10.x and 11.x
aix 4.3 and 5.2

deal :-)

Regards,

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From madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com  Tue Mar  9 23:22:01 2010
From: madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com (Michael Kerpan)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 08:22:01 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling
In-Reply-To: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	 <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
	 <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <8dd2d95c1003090522icdb2bf4o15316c442173235a@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt at tuhs.org> wrote:
> I've added side scrolling now. Please have a look at it and see what you think.
> My HTML skills are limited, so if someone can suggest some better HTML code,
> I'd be happy to try it out. All the HTML is in template form, so it should be
> easy enough to try alternatives.
>
> The URL is now officially       http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree
>
> I also want to add these other releases:
>        4BSD
>        4.1BSD which one?
>        4.2BSD
>        4.4BSD
>        LSX
>        Ultrix-32 which one?
>        Venix?
>
> If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know.
> Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society.
> If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love
> to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go
> into the hidden vault to keep the bits safe until some day when they can
> be let out.

How about addid a couple of modern FOSS Unix descendants like FreeBSD
and NetBSD and OpenSolaris. It would be great to see just how much V7
code still lives in these newer systems.

Anyway, I don't have anything new to offer except for my words of
gratitude. The source comparison feature is just plain awesome. It
makes me feel like one of those scientists who figures out family
trees by doing DNA comparisons ;)

Mike


From wkt at tuhs.org  Wed Mar 10 07:05:19 2010
From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:05:19 +1000
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: what else?
In-Reply-To: <8dd2d95c1003090522icdb2bf4o15316c442173235a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<4B926635.5030102@laposte.net>
	<20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<8dd2d95c1003090522icdb2bf4o15316c442173235a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100309210519.GB21946@minnie.tuhs.org>

On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 08:22:01AM -0500, Michael Kerpan wrote:
> How about addid a couple of modern FOSS Unix descendants like FreeBSD
> and NetBSD and OpenSolaris. It would be great to see just how much V7
> code still lives in these newer systems.

Good idea. I might do a subset of OpenSolaris and FreeBSD: they are just
way too big :)

Maybe also Minix and an early Linux.

Thanks,
	Warren
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From wkt at tuhs.org  Wed Mar 17 13:43:11 2010
From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:43:11 +1000
Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website
In-Reply-To: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <20100317034311.GA26452@minnie.tuhs.org>

I've added a better assembly parser, and a manpage/textfile parser to the
Unix Tree, and I've also imported the plaintext from the 1st Edition manuals
which Dennis Ritchie scanned in. Some interesting results:

There are still some vestiges of the 1st Edition manuals in 4.4BSD:

http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/manintro.txt
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ed.1
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ld.1

among others.

Cheers,
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From lm at bitmover.com  Wed Mar 17 13:56:33 2010
From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:56:33 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website
In-Reply-To: <20100317034311.GA26452@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <20100317034311.GA26452@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <20100317035633.GB19006@bitmover.com>

Doesn't suprise me at all.  I looked at the code when the BSD fuss 
was going on and bmap() was still the same.  After all those years and 
all that fuss.  Jolitz was right.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 01:43:11PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> I've added a better assembly parser, and a manpage/textfile parser to the
> Unix Tree, and I've also imported the plaintext from the 1st Edition manuals
> which Dennis Ritchie scanned in. Some interesting results:
> 
> There are still some vestiges of the 1st Edition manuals in 4.4BSD:
> 
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/manintro.txt
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ed.1
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ld.1
> 
> among others.
> 
> Cheers,
> 	Warren
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From lm at bitmover.com  Wed Mar 17 13:56:33 2010
From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:56:33 -0700
Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website
In-Reply-To: <20100317034311.GA26452@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org>
	<20100317034311.GA26452@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <20100317035633.GB19006@bitmover.com>

Doesn't suprise me at all.  I looked at the code when the BSD fuss 
was going on and bmap() was still the same.  After all those years and 
all that fuss.  Jolitz was right.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 01:43:11PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> I've added a better assembly parser, and a manpage/textfile parser to the
> Unix Tree, and I've also imported the plaintext from the 1st Edition manuals
> which Dennis Ritchie scanned in. Some interesting results:
> 
> There are still some vestiges of the 1st Edition manuals in 4.4BSD:
> 
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/manintro.txt
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ed.1
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ld.1
> 
> among others.
> 
> Cheers,
> 	Warren
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From lehmann at ans-netz.de  Sun Mar 21 23:09:11 2010
From: lehmann at ans-netz.de (Oliver Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:09:11 +0100
Subject: [TUHS] TCP/IP on a System III?
Message-ID: <20100321140911.284b64b4.lehmann@ans-netz.de>

Hi,

has someone ever tried to grab the old BSD sources where TCP/IP showed up
first and tried to use them to implement TCP/IP support for an old SYSIII
UNIX (ZEUS comp.)?
I tried this but I got scared by so much things which would need to be
done, inter-process communication, pseudo terminal support are just the
"starting points" and at the end it is also the kinda old C compiler
which has problems with the BSD sources (#defs to long for the cpp for
example)...

Has someone experience with this kind of topic?

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From neozeed at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 00:08:31 2010
From: neozeed at gmail.com (Jason Stevens)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:08:31 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] TCP/IP on a System III?
In-Reply-To: <20100321140911.284b64b4.lehmann@ans-netz.de>
References: <20100321140911.284b64b4.lehmann@ans-netz.de>
Message-ID: <46b366131003210708i574da1e6p18f66c6a624b0ee2@mail.gmail.com>

I was looking down this road for Xenix as a matter of fact, and looking
through some old news groups they all mention to use the free KA9Q stuff...

http://www.ka9q.net/code/ka9qnos/

<http://www.ka9q.net/code/ka9qnos/>I haven't even begun to look at what
needs to be done.....  But it's my understanding it's all done in user
space.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Oliver Lehmann <lehmann at ans-netz.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> has someone ever tried to grab the old BSD sources where TCP/IP showed up
> first and tried to use them to implement TCP/IP support for an old SYSIII
> UNIX (ZEUS comp.)?
> I tried this but I got scared by so much things which would need to be
> done, inter-process communication, pseudo terminal support are just the
> "starting points" and at the end it is also the kinda old C compiler
> which has problems with the BSD sources (#defs to long for the cpp for
> example)...
>
> Has someone experience with this kind of topic?
>
> --
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From lehmann at ans-netz.de  Mon Mar 22 16:51:36 2010
From: lehmann at ans-netz.de (Oliver Lehmann)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:51:36 +0100
Subject: [TUHS] TCP/IP on a System III?
In-Reply-To: <46b366131003210708i574da1e6p18f66c6a624b0ee2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100321140911.284b64b4.lehmann@ans-netz.de>
	<46b366131003210708i574da1e6p18f66c6a624b0ee2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100322065136.46622.qmail@avocado.salatschuessel.net>

Re: [TUHS] TCP/IP on a System III? writes: 

> I was looking down this road for Xenix as a matter of fact, and looking
> through some old news groups they all mention to use the free KA9Q stuff... 
> 
> http://www.ka9q.net/code/ka9qnos/

Yeah, I got this running a year ago on that system but only with SLIP.
Data transfer rates via SLIP are horrible and we are planning to build a 
network card. But for that I definitly want TCP/IP in the kernel. There are 
also chips out which are doing all the TCP/IP and UDP stuff on their own. 
Maybe this is an option too as it for example stresses the system not so 
much which should be good in a matter of performance too.
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