Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2001 01:00:40 +1100 (EDT)
Subject:   No. 22

Date:- 06 April 2001

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:25:02 +1000
From: Peter Godbold <spgatgil dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Launchpad & Powerpoint Questions

John,

re your Powerpoint Viewer query - 
> 
> 1. Powerpoint Viewer
> I believe there is a Win 3.1 aka Win-OS2 free viewer available from
> the Dark Side (similar to the MS-Word Viewer) for viewing those
> horribly large Powerpoint presentation files. Does anyone know where
> to find it (apart from Hobbes where I will search next time I
> connect).
> 
I have a copy of the viewer (ppview16.exe) which I can send you (or any
others who might want a copy) off-list if you want.  I think I dl'd it
from a M$ website a while back.  It's a self-extracting file of 1.8Mb,
which then requires a setup in WIN/OS2.  

I have it installed and it seems to run OK under WIN/OS2, and reputedly
opens all *.ppt files up to '97 level.

Regards,
Peter

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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:13:36 -0400
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM

Whoops ! I now realise the Convienience pack is at Java 118 level not 2
as 
I thought. Anyway for the time being it remains my test partition for
the
new IBM Browser and HTTP server.

hile we're on about the Convience Pack, there's a pretty good article on
it
at:

http://www.os2voice dot org/VNL/past_issues/VNL0401H/vnewsf2.htm


Ed.

Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
>   I think I may install this new browser on my Warp Convienience pack
> test partition as it's running Java 2 already. I'll report back my findings.

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:25:50 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 2 and Browser/2

G'day from the coat-hanger city.

Keep in mind most Bank Internet Apps won't work with Java 1.3, they only
work with Java 1.1.8

So if, (like me) you rely on Internet Banking, be warned.

Adelaide Bank, which provides excellent fee-free services, has no
offices in Sydney :(

BTW, Internet Banking from the following Banks has been tested with NS
4.61 for OS/2:
Adelaide Bank:
Full Java app, excellent reliability, excellent functionality. Had 3
late funds transfer in the last 2 years.

ANZ Bank:
Javascript, fair reliability, excellent functionality

St George Bank:
Javascript, good reliability, good functionality, some inconsistencies
in account transaction reporting.
Fees are high, :(

NAB:
BOYCOTT! Windows Java banking only!
Apparently, a Pure Java application is in the pipeline.

Commonwealth Bank:
Even mentions OS/2, however, untested.

scales: poor, fair, good, excellent

Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> Having just installed the new IBM Browser for Os/2 (the Gekko based
> one). I
> actually read the readme. The required plugin/modification for the
> browser to
> work with JAVA V 1.3 (aka JAVA 2) is included in Service Release 7 of
> JAVA 1.3.
> An update to SR7 happened just a couple of days ago, so the correct
> version of
> JAVA is also now on SWC.
> 
> Ed.

-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

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Subject: [os2genau] Old Warps
From: "Craig Brookes" <brookesatau1.ibm dot com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:10:06 +1000

> Gee....I haven't used Warp3 in years.  I might load it back on sometime.

Speaking about older versions of warp... If anyone in Perth want's a copy
of OS/2 2.0 or a copy of MS OS/2 1.0 then they should contact the Computer
Clearance Centre Shop 2/27 Collingwood Street Osborne Park WA 6017  Ph: 08
9244 9048.

I saw these on their shelves yesterday.

Craig

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Subject: Re: [os2genau] os/2 future
From: "Craig Brookes" <brookesatau1.ibm dot com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:39:06 +1000


Hi Steve.

> I can run it till it dies, and that may be a few yrs yet,

Looking at IBM's support statements I don't see it dying anytime soon.

> I'm running linux servers

I have used UNIX enough to know that I don't have the energy to teach
myself Linux.

> The kids will probably never use os/2

All the games and educational programs that my kids use are either DOS
based, or OS/2 native.  There is enough of those around that I haven't even
bothered yet to install Win-OS/2 and look for any win3.11 programs.  My
kids only see winxx at school.  They use OS/2 enough that they are growing
up expecting a fast, reliable, easy to use operating system on their PCs.

> The doom and gloom's a bit depressing, the userbase and mainstream
> applications seem to be slipping but the community is strong.

I remember a few years back when I could easily keep up with OS/2
developments, and would install and try out every new or updated program.
Now there is no way I can keep up with the ongoing development and have had
to change to just trying out programs that I really need.

I switched from Netscape's email component recently and it took a lot of
time to try out all the alternatives... PMMail/2, MR/2 ICE?, PolarBar,
RexxMail, Pine/2, and one or two others.  Sometimes having a choice is hard
work.

I have been trying out the eCS preview, and have now ordered an additional
licence for eCS Pro for a dual CPU board I bought.  A few tweaks here and
there and it looks just like OS/2 again.  I will probably go the eCS update
plan and see how eCS turns out.  At least the eCS guys are trying to sell
the OS/2 product instead of trying to ignore it to death like the head part
of IBM.  If it turns out that I don't like the way eCS goes then I can
always switch back to the plain IBM convenience pack for OS/2.

If OS/2 was ever dropped by IBM then that would only mean less updates I
have to apply to my systems, and more time to actually use them!!  :-)  It
would still run fine on my PCs, and would still be better the the
alternatives.

Craig

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Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 2 and Browser/2
From: "Craig Brookes" <brookesatau1.ibm dot com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:06:38 +1000


> ANZ Bank:
> Javascript, fair reliability, excellent functionality

Yep.  I have no problems using this service with NS4.61/java118, and their
option to show 'the most recent transactions today' is handy.  The only
funny I have ever noticed is a 'transfer interrupted' message during logon
which doesn't seem to matter.  Minor complaints are the transaction window
always is sized to the maximum, which is not needed on large resolution
desktops, and in an evening in Perth the account balance, etc, facilities
are not always available.  This is probably due to late night batch
mainframe runs in Sydney or Melbourne, but I laugh whenever a website from
a large company can't run 24*7... It's a sad effort and detracts from the
online service.

> Commonwealth Bank:
> Even mentions OS/2, however, untested.

Yep.  I have no problems here either.  They have also recently introduced
some new features like 'pay anyone', etc, like ANZ already had.  Their
transaction window is sized nicely as required.  They don't have the 'most
recent transactions today' feature of ANZ.  I think they also have to same
problem with the facilities like account balances, etc, not always being
available at night, but I could be mistaken due to false memories...


Craig

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:27:31 +1000
From: Peter Godbold <spgatgil dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] Warp3 DBM

Anyone used the Data Base Manager from Warp3 on a Warp4 system?  

Regards,
Peter Godbold

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From: Trevor Clarke <TClarkeatslatergordon dot com dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] Speaking of the old days...
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:33:46 +1000 

If anybody has an old version of LAN server for OS/2 or Warp server and are
willing to part with it, I'd love to hear from you.....
Slater & Gordon Solicitors - http://www.slatergordon dot com dot au

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:47:42 +0900 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Warp3 DBM

On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:27:31 +1000, Peter Godbold wrote:

>Anyone used the Data Base Manager from Warp3 on a Warp4 system?  
>

Anyone understand that this is now called DB2/2 UDB? :)

In our business, we used DBM v1.3 on our Warp 4 system while awaiting
the upgrade to UDB v5. The implication is that yes it is possible.



Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------


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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 04:39:04 -0500
From: Chris Neeson <Chris_Neesonatcompuserve dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 2 and Browser/2

Er, I can't help worrying about you people using internet banking.

The reason is that not so many years ago I was working for one
of the large Australian banks in mainframe computer security.

The people who administered the voice phone banking system
realised they had a problem with occasional failed authorisation
for their phone banking staff ( who were operating on behalf of the
real customers at the other end of the phone ).

This turned out to be the result of sloppy communications programming
( their server wasn't precisely tracking mainframe 'signon' requests and
  responses associated with a particular phone banking
  'transaction' sequence,
  so sometimes an action was attempted before the server was currently
  'signed on' and authorised to do anything ).

The response from the part of the bank responsible for the phone
banking 'system' was

- NOT to attend any meetings on the problem

- to delegate ALL responsibility to their contracted programmers

- to state that no money could be spent on the current phone banking
  system ( it was scheculed to be replaced 'shortly' )

- to support the programmers' 'idea' that the 'best' soluton was to remov=
e
  ALL security from requests from the phone banking server to the
  mainframe, which would of course mean that signon requests from the
  server were always successful
  ( so this was the practice which was implemented,
    after, of course, the security people had the request in writing,
           with signatures from the requesting managers
    Of course, not just signon requests, but any requested activity
    from the server, or what looked like the server, would always
    be successful ).


You make your own choices with internet banking.


BUT

- these are the same sort of people, if not the exact same ones,
  who were then 'designing', and later implemented diallup phone
  banking and then internet banking

- note that the only practice for financial authorisation which I've
  seen in large financial institutions is to keep identification
  information for people in financial system databases, NOT in system
  security databases
  ( so anyone who can look directly at the files which make up them could
    look at your identification details for financial activity )

- personally, since then I've had my credit union remove the voice
  phone banking password from my account
  ( funny how many institiutions still support voice phone banking ), and=


- I keep PHYSICAL evidence of all banking transactions,
  with a branch stamp on deposit stubs =


----------- previously emailed -----------------

> G'day from the coat-hanger city.

> Keep in mind most Bank Internet Apps won't work with Java 1.3, they onl=
y
> work with Java 1.1.8

> So if, (like me) you rely on Internet Banking, be warned.

> Adelaide Bank, which provides excellent fee-free services, has no
> offices in Sydney :(

> BTW, Internet Banking from the following Banks has been tested with NS
> 4.61 for OS/2:
> Adelaide Bank:
> Full Java app, excellent reliability, excellent functionality. Had 3
> late funds transfer in the last 2 years.

> ANZ Bank:
> Javascript, fair reliability, excellent functionality

> St George Bank:
> Javascript, good reliability, good functionality, some inconsistencies
> in account transaction reporting.
> Fees are high, :(

> NAB:
> BOYCOTT! Windows Java banking only!
> Apparently, a Pure Java application is in the pipeline.

> Commonwealth Bank:
> Even mentions OS/2, however, untested.

> scales: poor, fair, good, excellent

> Ed Durrant wrote:
> =

>> Having just installed the new IBM Browser for Os/2 (the Gekko based
>> one). I
>> actually read the readme. The required plugin/modification for the
>> browser to
>> work with JAVA V 1.3 (aka JAVA 2) is included in Service Release 7 of
>> JAVA 1.3.
>> An update to SR7 happened just a couple of days ago, so the correct
>> version of
>> JAVA is also now on SWC.
> =

>> Ed.

-- =

Regards, =


Daryl  Pilkington =


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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:22:45 +0200
From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhautatvillage.uunet.be>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] os/2 future

Craig Brookes schreef:

>
> > The kids will probably never use os/2
>
> All the games and educational programs that my kids use are either DOS
> based, or OS/2 native.  There is enough of those around that I haven't even
> bothered yet to install Win-OS/2 and look for any win3.11 programs.

Maybe it should be better to have broader a view. My suspiction is you do have already an
ample collection of Dos  games and educational programs.

But what about people having to begin fron scratch on? What about grannie looking for a new
present for the grandchildren?  Absolutely not important? So did Big Blue say too. And we
do now the results of that "thinking", don't we?

Actually, as no shop sells any Dos/Windy3.11 program anymore, the only way we have for now
is the way of "illigal" copying. Imho that's a big problem.


>
> If OS/2 was ever dropped by IBM then that would only mean less updates I
> have to apply to my systems, and more time to actually use them!!  :-)  It
> would still run fine on my PCs, and would still be better the the
> alternatives.

Quite right if it was only for you. But we have to deal with the other part of the real
world. :=)

--
Groeten uit Gent,

   Kris



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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:42:21 -0400
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 2 and Browser/2

My understanding is that the new browser is intended for use with JAVA
2,
HOWEVER that being said, since it is a "very similar" codebase to
Warpzilla
(Which runs with Java 118), I suspect it will infact run with either.
The 
point is Java 2 is supposed to be faster and will/does have more
capabilities
than 118.

Ed.

Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote:
> 
> Ed
> 
> does that mean it will  *only* work with Java 1.3 or will it work with lesser versions
> 1.1.8??

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From: "Robert Traynor  (BobT)" <rtraynoratoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:47:31 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Launchpad & Powerpoint Questions

Hi,
I have just done a FTP file search for "PPVIEW16.EXE"
and come across a web page at:-

http://www.logicalsky dot com/Windows31_FAQ.htm

The part that is of interest is this snippet:-

=3D=3D=3D=3Dquote on=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
6.3. I=FFd like to view a PowerPoint presentation but I don=FFt have Pow=
erPoint. Is there
a Win3.x viewer?

Yes: ftp://ftp.microsoft dot com/Softlib/mslfiles/PPVIEW16.EXE

=3D=3D=3D=3Dquote off=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

This file is real and I have just downloaded it.

Note:- The same web page may be of interest for Win 3.1 and perhaps
Win-Os2 problems also.

Regards BobT.

On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:25:02 +1000, Peter Godbold wrote:

>John,
>
>re your Powerpoint Viewer query - 
>> 
>> 1. Powerpoint Viewer
>> I believe there is a Win 3.1 aka Win-OS2 free viewer available from
>> the Dark Side (similar to the MS-Word Viewer) for viewing those
>> horribly large Powerpoint presentation files. Does anyone know where
>> to find it (apart from Hobbes where I will search next time I
>> connect).
>> 
>I have a copy of the viewer (ppview16.exe) which I can send you (or any=

>others who might want a copy) off-list if you want.  I think I dl'd it
>from a M$ website a while back.  It's a self-extracting file of 1.8Mb,
>which then requires a setup in WIN/OS2.  
>
>I have it installed and it seems to run OK under WIN/OS2, and reputedly=

>opens all *.ppt files up to '97 level.
>
>Regards,
>Peter
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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:01:01 -0400
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 2 and Browser/2

BTW the transfer interupted is not a NS/2 issue, the same thing happens
on NS 
under Windoze. Haven't tried IE jet - it may be there as well.

Another quirky thing on ANZ online. ou get todays last so many (is it 5
or 7?)
transactions but if you press last 7 days - it only shows yesterday and 
backwards it doesn't show todays. Which by my logic, means if you have
had
more than (5 or 7) transactions today, you won't see them all!

Anyway, I'll let y'all know if this works with IBM EXp/2 and Java 1.3.

Ed.

Craig Brookes wrote:
  The only
> funny I have ever noticed is a 'transfer interrupted' message during logon
> which doesn't seem to matter.

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:02:50 -0400
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Warp3 DBM

Wasn't Database Manager the 16 bit app ? I think DB2 came out for Warp 3 
didn't it ?  DBM "ought" to work under Warp 4 though.

Ed.

Peter Godbold wrote:
> 
> Anyone used the Data Base Manager from Warp3 on a Warp4 system?
> 
> Regards,
> Peter Godbold
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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:30:54 +1000
From: Peter Godbold <spgatgil dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Warp3 DBM

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John,

Yes, I did realise that DBM had evolved to DB/2 UDB, but I can't afford
the bikkies to get it on my home machine at the moment :-(  

I have some old family genealogical data on diskette that was saved in
'95 as *.IXF format files, and thought I might try to scrounge a copy of
DBM to resurrect it, . . . if someone had run DBM under Warp4.  

Which leads to my next question . . . has anyone either a DBM diskette
set (at one stage I remember it was on a separate set of diskettes), or
know where I might get my hands on a set?  Documentation would be
appreciated, too, if that's not pushing the bounds of probability too
far!!!

Peter Godbold

John Angelico wrote:
> 
> Anyone understand that this is now called DB2/2 UDB? :)
> 
> In our business, we used DBM v1.3 on our Warp 4 system while awaiting
> the upgrade to UDB v5. The implication is that yes it is possible.
> 
> Best regards
> John Angelico
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