Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:00:00 +1000 (EDT)
Subject:   No. 43

Date:- 28 April 2001

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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:56:55 +0830
From: Leigh Bunting <lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au>
Subject: [os2genau] ISP's

Hi All,

I've been notified by my ISP's parent ie Ozemail/UUNet that Camtech will
disappear come June 1st and that I should sign up with Ozemail and they
suggest their OzEshout plan of unlimited hours for $25/month. When their
20hrs/month plan is $27/month, I seem to smell a rat here.

Does this indeed seem too good to be true? There was a comment in the
fine print about modems not always being available at peak periods.
Could this be the little lurk hiding in the comms room.

If I ditch Camtech/Ozemail/UUNet, does anyone have any suggestions for
an alternative OS/2-friendly ISP in Adelaide?

When I first joined Camtech two or three years ago, the service was
excellent and my V90 Diamond SupraExpress Internal modem was sucking in
downloads at 5.4 to 5.5 K/sec. However in the last year or so this has
dropped to where I'm lucky to get >4.0K/sec. I can't complain as I have
never received a renewal notice since my account became due last August
:))

Thanks for any help.
--
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/

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From: "Steve Edmonds" <steve71atattglobal dot net>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:53:37 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [os2genau] supercomputer

Hi,
I don't supose this will be running Warp SMP.
Anyone know out of interest what OS this would run.
<snip>
Compaq also said it has been contracted to build a 
supercomputer with more than 450 AlphaServer SC 
processors for the Australian Partnership for Advanced 
Computing (APAC), based in Canberra at the Australian 
National University (ANU)
<unsnip>
(From IDG)

steve
_______________
Steve Edmonds
Steve71atattglobal dot net

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From: "Michael Block" <mblockatoptushome dot com dot au>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:29:16 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:56:55 +0830, Leigh Bunting wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>I've been notified by my ISP's parent ie Ozemail/UUNet that Camtech will
>disappear come June 1st .......snip............. I can't complain as I have
>never received a renewal notice since my account became due last August
>:))
>
>Thanks for any help.
>--
>Leigh Bunting
hey, I wonder why Camtech disappeared :-))

regards

Michael Block
---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus

http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html
The www home of perinatal psychiatry

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From: "John Angelico" <talldadatkepl dot com dot au>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:37:18 +0900 (EST)
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Last night's meeting & Lotus Notes

On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:57:01 +1000, David Halprin wrote:

Hi David - answering on teh list for the benefit of everyone else.

>John
>Re last night's meeting.
> I believe Antony Shepherd gave a very good demonstration and his ideas
>were very sound.

On Antony's behalf, thanks!

> If I understood him from his reply to my question:-
>
> You could use Lotus Notes, even if we members had yet to decide whether
>we would have it or not.  You could use it, instead of your usual mail
>client, to send out all the e-mails via the group list-server and we
>recipients would have no awareness of the change.

Correct, I could use Notes Mail as my email program on my machine and no-one would ever know the difference unless they looked in the 
detailed headers. 

> BUT, you would have all the received mail under the control of Lotus
>Notes and it could be categorised and sorted as you deemed fit.

Yes.

>Eventually members, who decided to have their own work-station with
>Lotus Notes on board, would be able to tap into your server and extract
>any relevant information, that interested them.

Not quite. There are two stages which may have become confused. 
a) My own computer remains my private territory and my Notes Mail messages remain there inaccessible to anyone (unless I set it up to 
serve out the messages)
but
b) IF the list server machine had a way of archiving all the messages into a central Notes database, and then serving these out,  anyone 
who could tap into it (with their own version of Notes or with any Web browser in fact) could trawl the archives whenever they connected.

> It would be a slow build up of users of Lotus Notes up by the members,
>but your `subtle' references to it in the ensuing e-mails will encourage
>us all to splurge.

Subtle as a brick, perhaps? <g> But yes that would be possible.



Best regards
John Angelico
OS/2 SIG
talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au
--------------------------------------------


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.... Microsoft Lie #4.- You'll never use DOS again...

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From: "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:39:09 +1100
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's

Leigh,
I've had good success with OS/2 and Chariot (Adelaide based) and (don't laugh) 
One.Net.

One.Net seemed faster than Chariot, and I had no major hassles with them, and at 
$21.95 unlimited hours, unlimited download it's a good deal.

From what I know about OzEShout - it's a 12month committment, and if you look at their 
webpage, although they call it unlimited download, they reserver the right to deem 
anything over around 700mb commercial purposes and you can be banned from the 
plan but of course, still charged for the 12 month committment!

Just my ramblings,

Paul.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:56:55 +0830, Leigh Bunting wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>I've been notified by my ISP's parent ie Ozemail/UUNet that Camtech will
>disappear come June 1st and that I should sign up with Ozemail and they
>suggest their OzEshout plan of unlimited hours for $25/month. When their
>20hrs/month plan is $27/month, I seem to smell a rat here.
>
>Does this indeed seem too good to be true? There was a comment in the
>fine print about modems not always being available at peak periods.
>Could this be the little lurk hiding in the comms room.
>
>If I ditch Camtech/Ozemail/UUNet, does anyone have any suggestions for
>an alternative OS/2-friendly ISP in Adelaide?
>
>When I first joined Camtech two or three years ago, the service was
>excellent and my V90 Diamond SupraExpress Internal modem was sucking in
>downloads at 5.4 to 5.5 K/sec. However in the last year or so this has
>dropped to where I'm lucky to get >4.0K/sec. I can't complain as I have
>never received a renewal notice since my account became due last August
>:))
>
>Thanks for any help.
>--
>Leigh Bunting
>Colonel Light Gardens
>South Australia
>Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
>http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/

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From: mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:03:27 +1100
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's

Morning Leigh, 
                    The main problem with the OzEmail OzEshout accounts is
their kick times and download limits.
            As for OS/2 friendly ISP's I am currently using Dingoblue who
have just gone from an unofficial 24/7 plan at $49 per month to
400hrs/1.5gb limits for $49. You can halve this by switching your long
distance service to Dingoblue. In Mackay it is extremely rare for me not
to be able to connect and disconnections (while it has been 24/7) have
beeen rare.
        Hope this is helpful

Mark

In <3AE8221F.BC97337atcamtech dot net dot au>, on 04/26/01 
   at 09:56 PM, Leigh Bunting <lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au> said:

>Hi All,

>I've been notified by my ISP's parent ie Ozemail/UUNet that Camtech will
>disappear come June 1st and that I should sign up with Ozemail and they
>suggest their OzEshout plan of unlimited hours for $25/month. When their
>20hrs/month plan is $27/month, I seem to smell a rat here.

>Does this indeed seem too good to be true? There was a comment in the
>fine print about modems not always being available at peak periods. Could
>this be the little lurk hiding in the comms room.

>If I ditch Camtech/Ozemail/UUNet, does anyone have any suggestions for an
>alternative OS/2-friendly ISP in Adelaide?

>When I first joined Camtech two or three years ago, the service was
>excellent and my V90 Diamond SupraExpress Internal modem was sucking in
>downloads at 5.4 to 5.5 K/sec. However in the last year or so this has
>dropped to where I'm lucky to get >4.0K/sec. I can't complain as I have
>never received a renewal notice since my account became due last August
>:))

>Thanks for any help.
>--
>Leigh Bunting
>Colonel Light Gardens
>South Australia
>Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
>http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/











----------------------------------------------------------------------------
mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au
Friday, April 27, 2001 - 11:03 AM
-----------
"Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies
of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." -----------
Mark Farnham
Mackay, Queensland, Australia.
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From: tsqatchariot dot net dot au
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:08:58 +1000
Subject: Re: [os2genau] Hardware: Touch Pad/Glide Pad

On 04/27/01 at 01:08 PM, "David Forrester" <davidforatterrigal dot net dot au>
said:


->>If they were popular a couple of years ago, I can't understand why the 
->>computer retail kids haven't heard of them !?!

->I think you answered it yourself - "kids".  The average age in places
->like Harvey Norman is pretty young.  And the older ones are probably
->from one of the other departments.

Yes, that makes sense :-)))

->>
->>What's replaced them...mice ?

->When I said "popular", I probably mistated things.  They were being on
->display in most places, but I have no idea if many were sold.  I think
->they were good things to display because they were something different,
->but, as all computers came with a mouse, it was hard for people to
->justify buying them.  (Reminds me of a certain operating system...)

Certainly does...

->For laptops, it is a different matter.  They have been built in and are
->quite usable.  I quite like this one, but I do plug a mouse in when I'm
->at a table.  At the moment I'd say that a mouse is better when I'm doing
->lots of browsing (ie. when I don't need to use the keyboard much).  But,
->if I'm doing  lots of typing, then the glide-pad comes into use as it's
->right there.  I also liked IBM's Trackpoint when I used a Thinkpad a few
->years ago.  I'll have to read the article that Ed pointed to.

Different blobs for different jobs eh :-))
Watch out that article is a word doc, interesting study on the apparent 
differences between touch pads and joystcks that are built into laptops.

Thanks, Dave,
Thanks to everyone else for their suggestions too.
I've found my arm is better with particular exercises from a physio, so
I'll wait and see.

Cya
Glenn.
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
tsqatchariot dot net dot au
OS/2 Users Group of South Australia
www.
Seti at Home Work Units completed -   .... http://www.setiathome.pl
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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:04:52 +1000
From: Daryl Pilkington <u3232athome.dialix dot com>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] SoundBlaster

Hi Ed,
Yes I have.
ISA Sound Cards stick to:
IRQ5, DMA0,1
(Or the usual default for the card, don't do unique things unless you
have to).

The problem is the PnP stuff doesn't assign resources properly.
I don't trust anything automatic under OS/2 Warp, (Win98 SE2 seems OK).

Explicitly specifying the resources is the way to go.
There is a *.cmd? that aids in the install of WINOS2 sound that lists
the switches required for the SB drivers for DMA etc.

For example my sound on my laptop is:
DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\OPL3SA.SYS /I:5 /D:10 /W:530 /F:388 /M:330 /A:0 /C:370
/S:220 /N:OPL3S1$ /V
This wasn't done automatically, <grin>.
Laptops are the *worst*.

As well as telling the OS to do full hardware detection at next boot:
OS/2 System\System Setup\Hardware Manager\Properties\Detection Level
Next system restart only
Full hardware detection

Ed Durrant wrote:
> 
> Hi Daryl,
>   Have you ever installed a Creative Labs Soundblaster 16 PnP Value pack
> sound card under OS/2 ??
> 
>   As I told you, I decided to re-install this card to see if it stopped
> the
> system hangs I'm getting sometimes running Real Player V8 via ODIN.
> 
>   I think the onboard audio's driver is far from perfect.
> 
>   So I disabled the on-baord audio, remmed out it's two lines in
> Config.sys and then installed the SB card and it's drivers (from the
> base CD and also from DDpak1). The system saw the card, the
> drivers loaded - but no sound !  I checked all the cables - all looks
> OK.
> 
>   I then booted up under Windows 98 - it spotted the card, loaded
> the drivers and rebooted - sound - no problem under Win98. I then
> checked the resources the crd has used - Interupt 10 and Dma's 3 and 5
> 
>  Normally I'd expect it to use IRQ 5 and DMAs 1 and 5. So I "corrected"
> the device driver settings in OS/2s config.sys and rebooted - still no
> sound (Sytem sounds are enabled). So it's got me a bit baffled ! The
> hardware and cabling is OK as it works under Win 98. The drivers
> load without displaying any errors. But no sound .....  any ideas ??
> 
> Ed.
-- 
Regards, 

Daryl  Pilkington 

//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
O<O  AUSTRALIA
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<O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
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From: "Digest Resend" <deadmail>
Resent-From: "Simon Davis" <skiwiatparadise dot net.nz>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:47:38 +1300 (NDT)
Subject: [os2genau_digest] Citrix ICA Client for OS/2 6.01 install problem

From "Simon Davis" <skiwiatparadise dot net.nz>

Has anyone tried to install the OS/2 6.01 Citrix ICA client.
I get the following message at about 90% of the way thru the install
(see also attachment).
EPFIE187: A product-specific installation error occurred while executing the
'EXEC' exit routine.
The return code is 0x0002.
I'm running Warp 4 fixpack 5 on a 486 with 32 MB memory and 56MB free on the
disk I'm trying to install it to (and  60MB on my operating system disk).

<<Attatchement Removed>>

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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:26:38 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's

Alway read the small print Leigh !

 These "all you can eat" deals, often give you a different number
to call and there, the ratio of users to lines is higher than the 
lines for people paying full price, they lo often drop connections
"to give the others a fair chance".

 I know it's more expensive but have you considered taking this
opportunity to switch from dial-up to broadband ?  I am really 
happy with my cable internet connection and now Daryl has got
his phone line "de-rusted" I think he's happy aswell.

You're looking at between $50 and $70 dollars a month (plus 
a one time installation cost) for a 24x7 hi-speed, hi-quality,
reliable (at lest so far) service. Once you try it you certainly
WONT want to go back to dial-up. If you compare this with 
the cost of another phone line to be able to get  constant 
connection to the net without shutting everyone off the
phone, it's probably not that much more expensive.

Ed. 

P.S. my download speed often tips 50k/second - it's another world !
 
Leigh Bunting wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I've been notified by my ISP's parent ie Ozemail/UUNet that Camtech will
> disappear come June 1st and that I should sign up with Ozemail and they
> suggest their OzEshout plan of unlimited hours for $25/month. When their
> 20hrs/month plan is $27/month, I seem to smell a rat here.

11================================================

Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:45:26 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] [os2genau_digest] Citrix ICA Client for OS/2 6.01 install 

Yes I have installed the Citrix OS/2 Client however I prefer
to use the Java version as it allows me to configure a socks
server.

Ed.

Digest Resend wrote:
> 
> >From "Simon Davis" <skiwiatparadise dot net.nz>
> 
> Has anyone tried to install the OS/2 6.01 Citrix ICA client.
> I get the following message at about 90% of the way thru the install
> (see also attachment).
> EPFIE187: A product-specific installation error occurred while executing the
> 'EXEC' exit routine.
> The return code is 0x0002.
> I'm running Warp 4 fixpack 5 on a 486 with 32 MB memory and 56MB free on the
> disk I'm trying to install it to (and  60MB on my operating system disk).
> 
> <<Attatchement Removed>>

12================================================

From: "Paul Smedley" <psmedle1atbigpond dot net dot au>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:16:10 +1100
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's

Ed,
I did suggest to Leigh that he try cable as it's now available in Adelaide, but he reckons 
there's no cable where he his.  Don't know about ADSL - I don't think it's that 
widespread in Adelaide yet....

Regards,

Paul.

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:26:38 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote:

>Alway read the small print Leigh !
>
> These "all you can eat" deals, often give you a different number
>to call and there, the ratio of users to lines is higher than the 
>lines for people paying full price, they lo often drop connections
>"to give the others a fair chance".
>
> I know it's more expensive but have you considered taking this
>opportunity to switch from dial-up to broadband ?  I am really 
>happy with my cable internet connection and now Daryl has got
>his phone line "de-rusted" I think he's happy aswell.
>
>You're looking at between $50 and $70 dollars a month (plus 
>a one time installation cost) for a 24x7 hi-speed, hi-quality,
>reliable (at lest so far) service. Once you try it you certainly
>WONT want to go back to dial-up. If you compare this with 
>the cost of another phone line to be able to get  constant 
>connection to the net without shutting everyone off the
>phone, it's probably not that much more expensive.
>
>Ed. 
>
>P.S. my download speed often tips 50k/second - it's another world !
> 
>Leigh Bunting wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I've been notified by my ISP's parent ie Ozemail/UUNet that Camtech will
>> disappear come June 1st and that I should sign up with Ozemail and they
>> suggest their OzEshout plan of unlimited hours for $25/month. When their
>> 20hrs/month plan is $27/month, I seem to smell a rat here.



13================================================

Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:51:38 +1000
From: Ed Durrant <edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] SoundBlaster

My first install attempt was using the standard settings 
(irq 5, dma 1 &5), which didn't work - no errors but no
sound.

Booted to Win98 which auto configured itself to IRQ 10
DMA3,5 and worked. Hence the reason I took these 
settings for OS/2. (OS/2 and Win98 are on the same
machine - dual boot).

I think it has to be a driver issue. It's some time since
I ran this particular card, but I seem to remember 
there were some IBM drivers for the card tht didn't
work and I had to go back a version .... Perhaps I
kept the "good" version on a floppy somewhere.

I'll go search.

Ed.
 

Daryl Pilkington wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed,
> Yes I have.
> ISA Sound Cards stick to:
> IRQ5, DMA0,1
> (Or the usual default for the card, don't do unique things unless you
> have to).
> 
> The problem is the PnP stuff doesn't assign resources properly.
> I don't trust anything automatic under OS/2 Warp, (Win98 SE2 seems OK).
> 
> Explicitly specifying the resources is the way to go.
> There is a *.cmd? that aids in the install of WINOS2 sound that lists
> the switches required for the SB drivers for DMA etc.
> 
> For example my sound on my laptop is:
> DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\OPL3SA.SYS /I:5 /D:10 /W:530 /F:388 /M:330 /A:0 /C:370
> /S:220 /N:OPL3S1$ /V
> This wasn't done automatically, <grin>.
> Laptops are the *worst*.
> 
> As well as telling the OS to do full hardware detection at next boot:
> OS/2 System\System Setup\Hardware Manager\Properties\Detection Level
> Next system restart only
> Full hardware detection
> 
> Ed Durrant wrote:
> >
> > Hi Daryl,
> >   Have you ever installed a Creative Labs Soundblaster 16 PnP Value pack
> > sound card under OS/2 ??
> >
> >   As I told you, I decided to re-install this card to see if it stopped
> > the
> > system hangs I'm getting sometimes running Real Player V8 via ODIN.
> >
> >   I think the onboard audio's driver is far from perfect.
> >
> >   So I disabled the on-baord audio, remmed out it's two lines in
> > Config.sys and then installed the SB card and it's drivers (from the
> > base CD and also from DDpak1). The system saw the card, the
> > drivers loaded - but no sound !  I checked all the cables - all looks
> > OK.
> >
> >   I then booted up under Windows 98 - it spotted the card, loaded
> > the drivers and rebooted - sound - no problem under Win98. I then
> > checked the resources the crd has used - Interupt 10 and Dma's 3 and 5
> >
> >  Normally I'd expect it to use IRQ 5 and DMAs 1 and 5. So I "corrected"
> > the device driver settings in OS/2s config.sys and rebooted - still no
> > sound (Sytem sounds are enabled). So it's got me a bit baffled ! The
> > hardware and cabling is OK as it works under Win 98. The drivers
> > load without displaying any errors. But no sound .....  any ideas ??
> >
> > Ed.
> 
> --
> Regards,
> 
> Daryl  Pilkington
> 
> //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration
> O<O  AUSTRALIA
> \_/
> <O>  OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2
>      IBM Certified Systems Expert
> 
>         email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au
>           ICQ: 91914134
>           Tel: +61-2-8902-1300
>           Mob: +61-425-251-300
>           Fax: +61-2-9411-3720
>       Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au
>                (120 characters max, send no carriage returns)

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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:27:13 +0830
From: Leigh Bunting <lbuntingatcamtech dot net dot au>
Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISP's

Ed Durrant wrote:

>  These "all you can eat" deals, often give you a different number
> to call and there, the ratio of users to lines is higher than the
> lines for people paying full price, they lo often drop connections
> "to give the others a fair chance".

I suspected that might just be the case.

>  I know it's more expensive but have you considered taking this
> opportunity to switch from dial-up to broadband ?

As Paul has mentioned - no cable in my area.

> P.S. my download speed often tips 50k/second - it's another world !

Excuse me while I turn the same colour as the pot plants!!

Thanks for everyone's help, I've got some homework to do. Mark's suggestion of Dingoblue
sounds good if you tie it in with long distance phone calls, but trying to work out the
best value is not always that easy.

Cheers,
Leigh Bunting
Colonel Light Gardens
South Australia
Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here -
http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/


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